But porn is kinda dirty. I feel like porn is really the problem here. I have been into porn because I keep forcing myself into something. When I want to change something, it always go bad cuz I force myself too much. I am too much attached to the reward instead of enjoying the journey. I've been addicted into many things before. I feel like I am in my worst state, cuz this time its porn. Sexual stuffs yeah.
Ah. When I say masturbation, I mean pure masturbation. Not masturbating to any object. Just jerking off. Hahaha.
I think you are right, but for some of us masturbation leads us back to porn and so it is easier to stay away from porn if we give up masturbation too (at least for some of us).
Yeah I know what you mean. I think porn (and images of erotic girls, doesn't need to be explicit) is the thing one should obstain totally. Masturbation should be handled carefully. I think masturbating regulary (every 2nd day or more) is not good for your mental health. But if you could obstain for 2weeks and then M once, it should be good. On the other hand, if I masturbate after 2 weeks abstinence I mostly relaps pretty badly...
The thing is, when you masturbate with porn, it is just in the mind. You just wanna feel good so you do it with porn. But by doing it without porn, I think it is pretty normal. Unless you are really grown up and have been busy in life. The body will always need that release. It will release anyways. Hahaha. The more you try to escape from it, the worse it gets.
I agree that there's nothing inherently wrong with pure masturbation. The only issue I have with it personally is that it's something that can be addictive and can spiral out of control if you're not careful (e.g. masturbating multiple times in a day).
It is just, some people take nofap as a not-fapping exercise. It does not work for me too. I either became too tense because of it the whole day, or just reset badly in the middle of the night. Hahaha.
But as the late George Carlin said, "If God had intended us not to masturbate he would have made our arms shorter"
Dogs and cats lick themselves for pleasure, all primates masturbate. Bonobos are the masters of self-pleasuring and they're quite close cousins to us, humans. The females are into lesbian sex and males like to masturbate each other. One could say also that there's no other species that does face-to-face sex with kissing apart from humans, so that position is not natural. Oh, but the bonobos...! I think those guys live a pretty happy life
My other thing is, if masturbation is so bad, then why was orgasm made to feel so damn good? I'm not religious at all by the way....
They are jailed in their animal condition... We have the moral and Ethics to find what make us better for the later future, they can only think in the close moment And... they are satisfied if they find a tree with tasty leaves... As a human I want more than following sexual desires
Masturbation is not inherently wrong. When it is excessive and coupled with porn, then it becomes problematic.
The reboot thing without masturbation thing is kinda right about them, the chaser effect is real, though it's better for a recovering porn addict to jerk off then to watch porn, so because people hate masturbation so much here, most people relapse to PMO. I'd even say that masturbation without porn is easier for most people. For me, I'm quitting porn not because I'm addicted, because I'm not, I'm doing so for other reasons, so yeah, just masturbating alone makes me feels much better.
The problem of Masturbation, for me, is the lost of nutrients and the tired feeling that comes just after orgasm
Loos of nutrients? Are you badly nourished? Don't you have enough food? You might need to see a doctor. As for feeling tired after orgasm, that's normal, you feel back to normal after a few minutes.
I'm reading nowadays a super interesting book, called The Multi-Orgasmic Man, recommended by my therapist haha The book tries to separate orgasm from ejaculation and assesses that one can achieve multiple orgasms and have no ejaculation. The book also mentions that the ejaculation part of the sexuality is the one draining the body of energy, whereas the orgasm itself (which occurs separately from ejaculation) can restore the body's energy. Once I read it in full, I'll probably post a better summary. P.S.: The book is full of exercises!
I do think that we loose too much Zinc that we just don't feed it back (most foods lacks of it) and... I think also that there's something with the spiritual energies also, I'm not certain.