ITS OK TO MASTURBATE GUYS! ITS NORMAL!

This supports my theory.

 

So true. I occasionally smoke cigarettes, but can't get addicted. I quit "cold turkey" often with no cravings. I only smoke "socially".

 

Most of the Nofap benefits come from not masturbating alone(from my personal experience). It'll be nothing to quit P. Think of it as a conduit. Everyday, my P usage dissipated and around Day 10, when I felt the urge, viewing a single porn gif for a minute gave me satisfaction. I started my counter the day of the wetdream (that ended the superpowers) and the flatline, which I abandoned P for good.

 

This is like saying some people get addicted to Morphine, despite the wonders and benefits we gain from it, we should never use it, ever, even if we can control when and how to use it. Bunch of morons.

 

Masturbating once the month has nothing to do with three times the day. Like Love has nothing to do with Humiliation, or a functioning Fantasy with a hijacked mind that can only repeat what it saw on the screen... Reductionism and pure denial wont work.

 

ExActly. Judge only the situation that affects you and your dear ones personally.enough of looking over the fence to see what thy neighbour is doing. It's their business!observing is fine... just that the judgement people attach to this... they make stuff so binary so they feel a bit more self righteous than others. My hubby is or was a compulsive M and I hate him to M again at least for a while, if he wants to save ou relationship . But that doesn't mean that I tarnish anyone else who M with the same brush. Let the world be and focus on how you can be better. It's arrogant to think you are more wise or that you can fix others. You can suggest, from your experience. But why Judge

 

Its not normal to M, when you're are addicted to porn.

In my opinion for the next 2 or 3 years. You should not M at all. Maybe after that, but porn is a BIG NO NO.

I disagree with you, it's not normal. I'm talking about people who have porn addictions.

 

There is nothing in masturbation that 'raises your level of consciousness'. Nor does it develop your taste. All you are doing is giving into your animal nature. If you truly want to raise your consciousness, you need to raise your humanity. This is done by developing aesthetic taste, and learning to appreciate the rational aspect of life, not by playing with your willy.

Don't appease your lower nature with rationalization. Be a man, overcome it, pursue excellence.

 

Honestly, just because you're too dense to generate a spiritual experience through your body does not mean it can't be done. Keep wounding people by circulating ideas that it's bad to touch yourself (which is 100% NATURAL) and consider yourself a GI Joe if that's what you prefer. I pity you and your defensiveness speaks alot about how well things are going for you on your end.

All you are doing is recycling the age-old bullshit that masturbation is a sin... The same age old bullshit which says women are inferior to men... Good for you!

All I will say to all of you haters (because wow, impressive how angry people can get when someone else is doing the thing you claim cannot be done) is that you can't complain about food you've never tried. If you've never achieved an ejaculation free orgasm, you don't know what it's like. If you've never achieved a successful tantric masturbation session, you don't know what it's like. If all you've done is the same way that is fundamentally not working, you shouldn't be speaking as an authority at all.

This is a boatload of cultural prejudice and slander. In places of the world where tantra has been perfected you would be mocked and laughed at for proclaiming to know anything that you don't. But thanks for the reminder of how sexually uneveolved we are; It's like we never left the stone age.

But I can tell people on these forums love to paint everything black or white, point fingers and tell people it's an all or nothing, one-size-fits-all life. Reality isn't like that. That's just a reflection of your overly simplistic attempt to comprehend it. There is no way in hell our evolution is going to leave us off on the conclusions you guys made though, cling to it and stay put all you wish.

Or just do what works for you and don't freaking declare war on someone else for doing it differently. Christ.

 

Because unless we set standards for ourselves we will degenerate into brutes. The power of judgement, of discriminating between what is right and wrong, good and evil, is what distinguishes us from animals.

 

Correct. And sex is not evil. The fact that we have sexual desires is not evil. And using sex in a way which is not harmful to anyone, brings enjoyment, increases our sensitivity and connection to Nature, increases our bonds with ourselves or another human being - is far from evil.

 

hahaha you make me laugh you wheazle. I know you're a small asian dude. Come to Fort Hunter Liggett and we will have some serious fun.

 

The western way and tradition was to develop the rational part of us in order to control the baser natural instincts. This was the whole point of western philosophy, literature, art, culture and religion. There is a super abundance of material available to us to cover our own unadorned 'naked shivering nature'. That is our reality. People can have a different reading of reality, and that is fine. But they should still be open, rational and tolerant enough to consider other views, and then ask which is most coherent. A tolerant person is not someone who puts all beliefs, whoever inane, on the same level, but someone who can allow beliefs to be criticized, both their own and others, without taking it personally or attacking the other person. When this truly liberal, critical and rational culture breaks down, we end in fanaticism and chaos.

 

Obviously, sex is not evil. But its energy needs to be rationally harnessed and restrained, and directed in a civilized manner. Civilization is simply the art of humanity having managed to do this; we have created our humanity from our nature. A lot of evil and barbarism and brutality comes when this restraint is thrown of in the name of freedom... or of some new or ancient ideology.

 

Yes. What makes you think I'd dispute that? What is the point of assuming masturbation can't be that? Is it that healthy sex can only be sex with a woman? What I find is that actually puts alot of pressure on having sex, doesn't it? That can make a person lacking self-autonomy, dependent, frustrated, depressed, angry. Couldn't it can also put alot of pressure on the women to be having sex with the man as often as he desires?

What makes people assume masturbation cannot be performed in such a way that is actually natural and healthy? I'm saying the point isn't even to orgasm, so there is no loss of anything besides time that is intentionally self-nurturing (like a massage, a bath, etc.). Isn't it actually self-nurturing that is being called "barbaric" then? Age-old prejudice. It's considered "selfish" to self-nurture. Yet such a belief is nearly as deceiving as porn because what happens if people don't properly self-nurture is they turn into mean tight-asses and patriarchs.

There's nothing wrong with a bit of open-mindedness, and the notion that maybe the "animal nature" that is so slandered is actually the same creative jet-fuel that renaissance artists and inventors mastered. It all depends on what you do with it, doesn't it? Some people here may never touch their penis. Good for them! Are they using that creative energy in a productive way? Nothing I have suggested says productivity needs to be wasted. It suggests you can both be productive and self-nurture; Even if your culture is programmed to believe that self-nurturing is a sin.

 

So true. And so interesting that in year 2017 there are still people around having a problem to agree.

 

No, when the instinct underlying sex is harnessed and restrained, you certainly need not be frustrated, depressed and angry. These emotions come from a raging out-of-control libido, whether one is in the married state or not.

 

Well, some people are more interested in intelligent enquiry as opposed to just conforming to the latest fashion in thought.

 

The problem here is that sexual energy turns in on itself. It loses its creative function, which should be the realization of social, cultural, communal, or aesthetic connections. We are a social animal.

And in turning in on itself, it grows stronger than the rational/ social side of us. We can become anti-social and addicted to our own private passions.

Yes, I agree with this. I'm no puritan. Eros is not to be repressed, but restrained and channeled in a creative manner. That's the difference between puritanism [and what a disaster that was] and sublimation.

 

In that case it's basically a prejudice against highly sexual / creative types (have you guys have noticed how the two often go together?).
Oh and also young men going through their sexual peaks.
Saying "Just control your out of control libido" to someone bursting at the seams with creative energy ... through pure abstinence is just cookie-cutter logic that assumes that's the solution for everyone. I'm going to be bold and say no it isn't. Not everyone wants to self-nurture through masturbation? Great! Sounds like beautiful diverse human nature! Someone wants to impose their particular way of managing their sexual energy onto everyone else? No thanks, that's pure BS! Life is not one-size-fits-all. We are not cookie cutters.

Racists struggle with the same fundamental logic. People who have a hard time accepting diversity will end up hurting everyone who's different from them. Which in reality, is probably everyone. No - not everyone's biology is the same. That should be fairly obvious. No, someone experiencing sexual frustration may not need to deny that their own libido is naturally greater and therefore more of a challenge to manage in today's world, and they need not feel shamed for it, nor feel shame in finding creative solutions for problems others might resolve differently.