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Crisis Situation...I don't know what to do

Discussion in 'Rebooting in a Relationship' started by ThePaintingWife, Jan 27, 2016.

  1. ThePaintingWife

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    I am the wife of a porn addict. He isn't on nofap, but has been working with a therapist and also attending group therapy for porn addiction. He has gone 110 days without PMO (so obviously he has been making an effort). He also has a history of blatantly flirting with other women. Most recently (that I am aware of) was one year ago, with a woman he worked with. We had been married 10 months at the time, and were getting ready for a move and career changes for both of us. I felt a lot of disconnection between us and he was avoiding sex. I spent this period of our marriage (a good 2 months) crying myself to sleep while he slept with his back towards me. When I tried to talk about it he blamed me for being too busy (and I was busy I will admit, packing for the move and dealing with a lot of family drama) and not giving him enough attention. At one point he said I was "gross." Through all this I felt so ashamed that I wasn't being a good wife to him and tried my best to be better. I cooked nice meals, kept the house spotless, planned quality time, etc.
    Fast forward to D-Day, four months ago, and that's when he came clean about his porn addiction (again), flirting with this chick at work, and also admitting to two more sex partners he had before we met (he lied about this many times to me, I always knew he wasn't telling the whole truth so this didn't surprise me so much).
    The flirting at work is devastating to me. I had asked him about this particular new coworker at least 3 times and he denied anything going on. Eventually he admitted that he told her he thought she was attractive, and that she regularly vented to him about her boyfriend. In one such instance, my husband told her "I would take care of you but I can't, I'm married." He says he meant this as a joke. He admitted to me that he was attracted to her and wanted to have sex with her. He says that after this "but-I-can't-I'm-married" incident, he distanced himself from her for the remainder of his time at that job (maybe 2 weeks- one month, he won't give me any timeline). The start of this "distancing" I believe coincided with a fight he and I had about not connecting and him looking and acting as if I was disgusting to him.

    I am posting tonight, because I just told him I want to separate. This isn't the first time I've said it since D-Day, four months ago. Usually he talks me out of it, this time I can't shake the feeling. He is working so hard on the porn addiction...I'm proud of him... it's the dishonesty and flirting that is causing me the most pain. He is very remorseful and is begging me to stay but I just don't trust him. He hurt me so bad, all the promises not to flirt again, not to watch porn again, not to LIE again. I'm so, so tired and I feel completely hopeless when I think of a future with him. I feel worthless and unwanted. He has asked that we wait until our next marriage counseling appointment (in two weeks) to talk anymore about separation.

    I will wait as he as asked... But we will be staying in separate bedrooms. We have no children and I would like to keep it that way since I don't trust him.

    I am very torn. I do care deeply about this man, and I see his remorse, I see he is trying tremendously. But my pain just seems insurmountable. I don't see myself forgiving and forgetting everything, no matter how hard I've been trying. I feel like a failure for not being able to do so and I commend all the other spouses who have found compassion for their addicts. I feel pathetic and horrible for not being able to forgive mine yet, even with all the progress he has made.

    My questions are.....What would you do??? Should I stay or should I go? Has anyone else dealt with someone with flirting issues? What if he's remorseful and I am still hurting?? What do I do??

    I was trying to wait the recommended "6 month to one year from d-day" before making any major decisions, but I am so discouraged. I have been doing everything "right," seeing a therapist, marriage counseling, educating on sex addiction, taking care of myself, trying to connect, etc.... And tonight I feel just as devastated as I did when I found out everything.

    When will it get better?? What else can I do to make it better? And when do you know if it's time to call it quits?

    I'm sorry this is so long and self-pitying, I'm not in the best place right now.
     
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  2. Rav70

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    I can't imagine being called gross by someone who claims to love you.
    The lying, porn, flirting I could forgive if he stopped but how can you get past that?
     
  3. CptCane

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    Wow. I am so sorry. I will try to give you hope.

    3 years ago I admitted to 13 years of PMO, escort use, and 3 affairs. My wife was completely destroyed. I took her heart and crushed it. However, she has been a diamond through it all. We do have 3 kids and that probably helped keep us together. Since then I have learned how to truly love her. Being a sex addict is horrible but overcoming the addiction has been a great journey of ups and downs. Right now I am on day 7 of nofap. Porn is not an issue for me anymore, I just need to release. But I'm going hard mode. No O not even a touch. My hopes are that time will help recover the physical intimacy between us. I also have PE from my M so she's not really interested in sex anyway until I fix it. So here I am. I am beginning to feel more self confident even without sex and it feels great.

    My advise to you....(which is from a Christian perspective) if you love him, stay and fight. Encourage him to fight for you. My wife gave me a choice. To fight or let go. So I fought for her. I'm not a quitter. But whatever you do, stick to it. I trust my wife and if she said she would leave the next time, I believed her. Don't bluff, stand your ground and be strong. My wife got past 13 years of horror. You can get past this. You are here and you're trying.
     
  4. TheWife

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    I'm sorry you are in so much pain. It must be devastating to hear your spouse speak like that to you, on top of the lies and betrayal.

    I guess you need to ask yourself some questions about how you feel with your husband. Does he make you happy? How does he make you feel when you are with him? What are the non-negotiable things you want for your marriage and can he provide those?

    I am sure that him saying that you are "gross" was a way of him lashing out due to his addiction and your situation, still no excuse but it may help you to understand that once again, like the addiction, it is not about you. Has he given you a proper apology for saying this?

    I can't answer the questions about if you will ever be able to forgive him. I am struggling with this myself and it is a long ongoing process. Forgiveness is not a one time thing, it is ongoing and takes a lot of work. It also takes a lot longer than you think it will. I know I will never ever forget what my husband did, I don't think any of us will. I also know that there will never be complete trust in our marriage, it is gone and will not return. I do feel that we can continue without trust, as long as we have communication, transparency and honesty.

    One thing that you can keep in mind is that separation does not have to be the end. You can separate and agree to work on your relationship from the beginning. Go on a first date etc, and get to know each other again, all the while watching to see his actions confirm he is working on his recovery.

    The hurt is not going to magically go away. It will be with you for some time yet. All you can do is take it one day at a time. If things continue to be tough for you, perhaps you could look into emotional detachment http://m.wikihow.com/Detach

    Just remember, we are here if you need to vent.
     
    Last edited: Jan 27, 2016
  5. DireMerl

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    I'm so sorry you've been going through this. It is a very similar situation to mine. My husband has been lying about porn use for years, always promising her quit until I found him out. Then he'd apologise,promise again and get caught again. It has been an endless cycle of betrayal. It culminated in me finding he'd been flirting with some girl he knew through friends. We had a huge argument about it in which he admitted he found her attractive. He was still watching porn and the reason for our lack of intimacy was due to my weight. I was utterly devastated. I couldn't imagine going near him again. (he was also blind drunk during this argument so I believe he was particularly viscious)

    The next day we talked it all through. We were basically on the brink of divorce. He was ymutterly horrified at what he had said to me. He said he couldn't bear to lose me and I was everything to him. He voulenteered to cut all contact with this woman. Out accountability software on his devices and swore he would never make me cry again. I agreed to give it another shot. But I have made it inescapably clear that if I ever caught him going behind my back with another woman, I would leave. I can't forgive that. There's nothing left to work through once that line has been crossed in my opinion.

    Trust is obviously a huge issue. But I believe it can get better. You both have to be completely on the same page however. If he's going to just say what you want to hear and carry on like before then it's really not going to work. He needs to prove that he's willing to fight just as hard to make it work.

    I agree with the wife (as always :) ) you need to get your house in order now. Make sure you have a plan for every eventuality. If you have a spare room, or somewhere to stay then make sure you have things arranged if you decide you need to leave. Talk seriously about accountability software as it is the only way you can put your mind at ease. Talk about his strategy to quit this time. Maybe he needs to remove certain apps that lead him into temptation. Let him tell you what HE is going to do to improve this situation and get your lives back. If he doesn't stick to it then you need to make some hard decisions. In the meantime, make time for yourself. Go out with friends, treat yourself to something you like. Try to take care of your own state of mind. I hope this helps a little. We're always here to talk if you need it. Xxx
     
  6. nomo

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    Here's my simple answer to a complex question. In my life I'm looking to eliminate complications, therefore I would move on and say goodbye to this guy. Your life will suddenly become free of these hassles and six months from now you will wonder why you ever hung in there for as long as you did.
     
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  7. Ikindaknew

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    As a man that loves his wife but suffers from PMO; Flirting with other women (and possibly doing more than flirting) is a big step up from pmo. I don't want to take PMO lightly, cause its not. But flirting with other women, and saying stuff like "I'd take care of you but..." is a clear indication that his mind is open...it MAY lead one day to real sex with others...which in my mind is a lol worse...do I make sense with this?
     
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  8. ThePaintingWife

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    Thank you everyone for your responses. It has been a rough 24 hours.
    He has moved to the spare bedroom, and I have resolved not to act until after we speak with our marriage counsellor on Feb 13. I may email her tomorrow and see if we can get in any sooner.

    @Ikindaknew I agree. This is the biggest issue for me. "I'd take care of you but I can't I'm married." Those words are playing like a broken record in my head 24/7. He has always flirted, which was a big enough problem, but this time I don't know if I can forgive, because he was obviously thinking he'd rather be with her. It seems much more than just admiring and complimenting an attractive woman. He can't give me any answers as to why, or what attracted him to her, or how he could let it escalate to this point. He says he is "working on it" and I need to stop asking questions until he figures it out. I told him I can't move on until I have more information. He insists he wasn't falling in love with her and that she wasn't "special," and would never DO anything... but also says that she is the only on she flirted with in this way. These statements seem like a complete contradiction to me.

    @Rav70 and @TheWife I should probably clarify the "gross" comment. It happened one year ago (around the same time the flirting was going on apparently), and I had just rolled up the rim on a Tim Hortons cup with my teeth (yes, I'm Canadian lol), and he said "Ewww you're gross," with a disgusted look on his face. This, along with the fact that at the time we were completely disconnected and he was barely interacting or having sex with me, was blow to the self esteem. I immediately said how hurtful that was and he insists to this day that he never meant I was gross, just what I was DOING was gross (I'm not sure why, I am sure I am not the first person to roll up the rim with their mouths).
    <----------This whole paragraph sounds very silly and petty to me and I am embarrassed to even post it. But anyways, that's how it went down.

    I am looking forward to this in-home therapeutic separation to reflect on some of the questions @The Wife suggested. I have tried answering some of these before but just haven't found the space to do so yet. My husband and I work together from home, so he is around constantly. Some evenings alone are just what I need and I will be making them a priority in the next weeks. @nomo , I have thought just what you posted so many times in the past few months. I could be free from this, and maybe heal. What has made me stay so far is his remorse and determination to change. What I need to figure out I suppose is whether or not I can handle staying by him while he works on himself. I am afraid that the cut might be too deep this time. But I also know that I have had this feeling many times, and it has passed with patience. This round just seems to be lasting longer than usual though, which scares me.

    I truly am grateful for the responses <3 I don't have anyone to talk to about this except my therapist who I've been seeing biweekly since d-day. Unfortunately that is the nature of sex addiction, there isn't a lot of opportunity to talk about it. That's why this forum is so amazing!!!! :)
     
  9. ThePaintingWife

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    Thank you for the link, I just checked it out and it sounds like exactly what I want to do right now, to get some space and find some clarity!
     
  10. Ikindaknew

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    I never won anything but the odd free coffee lol. Nothing gross about rolling up the rim, WTF?

    That man seems to have issues when he talks. No filters between brain and mouth? Be careful what to say is an important skill to have in life. Learning not tu hurt anyone feelings..he seems to need to develop that, in any cases I mean.
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    You mentioned he was flirting at work, but now he's working at home? Being together all the time, including work hours must be difficult. One human being need to interact with others and have a life outside the relationship. I think so anyway. I think he's taking you for granted. Go out, meet friends, work out if you feel like it, empower yourself...that will scare him off maybe, making him feel that he has to be careful and learn to treat you good. Btu its probably too late? Is it?

    If you are working from home, just like him, might lead to a feeling of isolation I imagine. Without noticing at first, one might see is significant other as old news maybe? Any other options for you?
     
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  11. Rav70

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    Being called gross in a joking manner like that doesn't offend me. When I put my boyfriend's head between my thighs In vice grip lock and farted he called me gross and a few other things. This was in retaliation to the dutch oven he gave me so that was a certifiable ligit strike.
     
  12. ThePaintingWife

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    Hahaha! That made me giggle :)
    I wish he had been joking, if I thought he was joking I could brush it off....but he said it seriously, and was looking at me like I'd just barfed on his shoes or something lol.
     
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  13. ThePaintingWife

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    Maybe it is just a filter problem... I don't know. The monkey face is MY face after he says something without filtering haha.

    He was flirting at his old job, before the career change and the move (the move and job change had nothing to do with the flirting, we had already decided to before she started working with him, and I didn't find out about the flirting til much later).
    It has been an adjustment, but we don't have a lot of other options career-wise right now, it's my family's business, we are working towards taking it over from my dad. We moved and started working here in March last year, and it hasn't been an easy road, my father is a poor manager and an alcoholic. The stress of managing everything and the learning curve to do so has been really hard on both my husband and I... and now the PMO addiction and more lies are revealed. It's overwhelming.

    Thank you for the reminder to empower myself, I'll be doing more of that. You are right, he totally takes me for granted. I don't know if me focusing on myself will change that, but at least it will help me feel stronger right? Strong enough to leave, or stay, whatever I decide. I don't know yet if it's too late or not... I think he can learn...He asked me this morning if he could take me on a date tonight, so he is trying. I'm just afraid of the damage he's done already. I truly want to forgive him, I do still love him, but when I think about staying I feel completely hopeless. The idea of leaving gives me a sense of relief right now... but I know I can't leave until I'm sure. I won't learn anything by running from the pain and I have to face it before I decide, as hard as that is.

    Anyways, he's apparently booked tickets for us to go to a play tonight - positive headway, right! I have agreed to go with him, so I'm going to stop this ridiculous crying, dress up and look my best and hold my head high this evening while I try to observe and appreciate the good he is doing. I really hope it lasts.
     
  14. Ikindaknew

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    In all cases, it's YOUR family business. Not his...so of you drop him, you got something to hold on too and investing in!

    I do believe that a relationship goes thru some ups and downs but its difficult to determine for somebody else. Are there days brighter ahead? Way hard to foresee. Maybe you have an idea about that? Are you in a simple dip? Or is that a downward spiral with him?

    There you go business woman do your stuff, you got something challenging in front of you! The family business!
     
  15. How long before you got together did he start PMO? Did you have sex as much as he wanted in the beginning of your relationship ?
     
  16. TheWife

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    Hey @ThePaintingWife how was the play the other night? Hope that you had a good night. Let us know how things are this week. X
     
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