THE DUELS OF NOFAP REFORGED: NO PMO TOURNAMENT | OPEN FOR ALL

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Lol I thought you were Knowbie

Everyone's Nofap is different and while some need to MO in order to reboot, it might not work for others and only you know what works for you, there's nothing with doing a MO or a PMO

 

I have relapse on day 9.

 

@Still Balling checking in, been doing pretty well, excited to keep going.

 

Sorry to hear that, mate. Well, 9 days is a good run.

Wanna give another try?

 

That's the spirit.
@Toni7 You have the wrong impression. Everything you did write was valid and on point. I agree with you.
@Ūruz potency chart and observation of his own experience and the addiction itself is so potent. It so great seeing people relate to what I am thinking and structure it for all to learn from.

 

Definitely! Let's go again

 

Challenge accepted. Let's go.

 

Yes, but you are talking here about excessive MO here, I am talking about MO in moderation (I guess you don't believe there is such a thing, I get it), which in my opinion don't have these negative effects to a degree which would be harmful; I don't disagree with you that excessive MO can lead to hormonal problems though, if it's excessive and not in moderation. And yes, we can wear our nervous system down with age just the same way we wear liver down with eating too much. So I also think there are benefits to semen retention. But it's one thing to recognize that there is benefit to going the extra mile, and it's another thing to say that those who don't are unhealthy.

I think I do, yes. I mean I never tried sex yet, so not sure, but I can't last that long during MO, so I can only imagine it's gonna be way worse during actual sex...

I don't think all MO causes PE. I think MO'ing very fast causes PE. When we are young we tend to try to reach the O as fast as possible, either because we just want that pleasure faster, cause we don't know any better, or cause we have limited privacy and we don't wanna get cought, so we have limited time. So what we do is we condition our nervous system to reach O very fast, so then when we wanna last longer we can't, because we have trained ourselves not to. But if we take time to get aroused slowly and without porn, reach erection slowly, then MO slowly, we won't condition our nervous system to reach the O fast and there won't be PE.

In fact I believe we can deliberately masturbate slowly, which will train our nervous system to take more time to reach the O slower—we can rewire. This does require to practice M though, obviously without porn, and it does require to practice stop and go method; you M but stop and cool off when getting too aroused, like that you will train the body to take longer to O, the opposite of how we trained it to O fast when we were younger. You can think of this as a physical therapy for sexual health, not as something for pleasure. And I do think it's needed—just rebooting from porn alone won't be enough to get rid of PE, neither will getting rid of the MO habit—cause the conditioning is still there dormant and will activate, so it needs to be rewired.

I disagree, just watching P can absolutely cause PE too. Even if you don't MO with P ever, and even if you have never masturbated in your life, still, watching alone will cause PE. Because porn is so intense stimulation that even watching will train your brain and nervous system to get to very high state of arousal very quickly (and that's why we PE, cause our nervous system gets very aroused very quickly). So that conditioning then becomes a neurological habit, and automatically replays even when there is no porn present. No MO required to cause this damage, only porn. But if you combine it with fast MO, like I described above, then it's even worse!

The way I think we fix this is:

1. Rebooting from porn (fixes the PE caused by porn).
   
2. Practicing slow MO with stop and go method to train our nervous system to get aroused and reach O slower (fixes the PE caused by fast MO).

If we only fix one but not the other then it probably not gonna fix it fully, because our PE is a combination of these two reasons. Unless for you it's not combination of the two, in which case it might be enough. But chances are it's not the case for PMO addicts like us. It might be the case for people who never watched P and developed PE due to fast MO though.

So I don't think MO causes PE if it is done in a right way. It's only when we do it in such a way that it trains our body to finish very fast when it can cause it. P however will always cause it, cause that's just the nature of it.

I sometimes mess them up too lol. They both have similar length names and similarly looking forum avatars (round and red). They are like twins—I think @Kn0wbie is a @Simorgh's evil twin lol!

 

PE is definetely caused by the mind and the quality of the erection. Clear mind and hard erection makes control easier. Though, being abstinent and having sex is recipe for PE, because of the sudden enormous stimulation. You abstain for weeks and then do S, it is normal to last quite little compared to the second, third time immediately after that.

 

Summon the Egyptian gods!

 

Apologize then. Way I see it you and others tend to say something like its ok to use weed becaouse cocain is worse and you can't get addicted to weed. Same with PMO and MO.
I see my story is different and you can't relate but I just wish nobody goes trought this that I'm going with this addction so all I can do is share my story.
I see now mine problem is even harder bacause I can get hypersexual without P. Only luck was that before I get full acces to internet I alreday find out that P is bad thing so I didn't get hok up to it. Even if sometimes it is a problem. If I have acces to it at younger age who know what would happen to me.

To me is different its like if women has to sensetive clitoris and when you touch it, she orgasams. Thats becaouse I find a way how to fininsh as quick as possible. Erections are more then fine.

Yeah maybe. Don't you think is better to wait and be honest with your girfriend/wife and try do have that kind of sex with her?

This sound just like edging to me. Or is it not?

Thats seems to be true.
I can tell you this also when I relapse that would be MO 2 things happens one is then becoause I allready mees myself up how unhealthy MO (and I do it in unhealthy way not in one you decribed) is I feel bad and then I watch porn and MO few times in a row. (Not everytime but this last times always) Like in a book Little Princ with alchoholic who drinks to forget he drinks.. and second thing I feel weaker in energy witch mens when I do some work for example if I suddenly stend up from some squat position it starts to get dizzy. But when I'm on good streak it doesn't happen.

 

I have failed

 

I don't think there is one cause per se, I think it all depends. Mind is one of them, but other causes can be conditioning your nervous system, or could be hormonal, etc. Or it could be some combination of some stuff. But I guess if we are talking specifically about the Porn–Induced Premature Ejaculation (PIPE), then the mechanism here gonna be mainly mind/brain. Or if it's cause of MO'ing too quickly, it could be cause of conditioning our nervous system in a bad way.

Sure, if you have a partner who is willing to collaborate and assist you with these sexual health exercises then it's obviously preferable from the MO addiction perspective. But I personally would rather fix it myself than go bothering her with my troubles and force them on her. I would rather do the work myself now, so then I can be ready to healthily perform for her later. It should not be her responsibility to help me deal with my shit. But that's just me...

No, not edging, I'm talking about different stop and go method. I think edging is mostly useless for PE. Edging is when you stop at the very edge of the orgasm (hence the name edging), where only a few more strokes or thrusts would bring you past the point of no return. All this does is makes you really good at stopping before the O, but does not much extend the time it actually takes to get to that O.

This stop and go method that I am talking about requires to stop way before you are even anywhere close to the edge; when you are being stimulated at consistent intensity there is a point where you know that if you maintain that intensity the PONR will arrive soon—if you pay close attention, you can feel the edge approaching about 30 sec to 2 min before it actually arrives—that's when you stop and cool off. If on a scale of ten, where 1 is flaccid and 10 is O, and edge is 9, then you stop at about 6, cool off to around 4 or 5, then resume. In fact it's kind of a key to stop as far from the edge as possible, that's why it works. So instead of training your body to get good at stopping right before the O, like edging does, this trains the body to extend the time it takes to reach the O.

I tried this method out a while ago during MO, and I noticed it took longer time to reach O after doing this for couple of weeks. Didn't keep it up cause I quit MO and went on Hard Mode. But gonna experiment with this more now—I'm done with the habit of MO'ing quickly, if I'm gonna MO might as well do it right, no point causing more damage for the PE...

 

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I wish you luck. I know I try everythig and even what you said. Stop and go metod will for sure for me later in the day or in week or in month lead to relapses. When we have PE it takes very little to get close to fininsh so stop and go not really of use now. It is stoping and you barely started.
I will try to get break out of the habbit of O. And then when is time for sex I will use something to desesitize area witch are critical and not to focus to O fast. So in the end I can review my brain or nervous sistem so that O doesn't stay in my brain like addiction to P and M. Rather to something good. And in sex there can be different kind of simulation of ones I get use to. So with here I'm going to try. Is much more natural I wolud say.
That is just if I brake a habbit.

 

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Polished my headlights today, gonna try to send a picture later cos I'm feelin real proud of my work

 

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@Redemptionisrequired I don’t believe @Solid Snake 582 has responded in a while, but I’m still going. If the match is over, I am ready for a new duel.

His last post was Jan 15

 

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