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Sex addiction is just as bad as porn addiction, if not worse

Discussion in 'Compulsive Sexual Behavior' started by UnholyConfessor, Dec 7, 2023.

  1. In the last month or so I've seen a noticeable increase in people on here recommending that recovering porn addicts "fix" their problem by having sex. Now this isn't a call-out post or anything, I'm not here to start drama, but I really do feel like this advice, while obviously well-intentioned, is flawed.

    Now I'm not an expert on this. But in my opinion someone who is addicted to porn could very easily become addicted to sex if they were suddenly afforded the opportunity to have lots of it. I'd argue that sex addiction is worse than porn addiction because as well as having many of the same potential side effects as porn addiction, it can also be MORE dangerous. Real sex as opposed to porn could increase the ego of the addict and make them think what they are doing is less harmful, thus delaying them even recognizing a problem, let alone starting recovery. Real sex is riskier than PMO. Real sex can still lead to escalation, except worse because it's real. An addict may start spending lots of money to have real sex, thinking that is somehow a better option than PMO. They may debase their own values and morals in order to have sex, and rationalise it as "healthy." Involving another person when the ulterior motive is just sex is inherently immoral.

    Now maybe this is a hot-take nowadays but meaningless sex for its own sake isn't a good thing. It shouldn't be encouraged. It also shouldn't be encouraged to seek out a relationship just for the purpose of sexual relief for a recovering addict. This is, again in my opinion, morally dubious at best, scummy at worst. Only have sex with someone you actually care about, otherwise you're using them as a living fleshlight and honestly, it would actually be LESS dubious to just masturbate.

    Sex for its own sake is not the solution to compulsive sexual behaviour. It's an escalation of existing negative sexual behaviour. The solution is self-control, a strong set of morals, and the awareness that there's more to enjoy in life than animal rutting. Thanks for reading.
     
  2. I whole-heartedly agree with you! I am a huge believer in developing a meaningful relationship because you love the person, and not just to go have sex with the person.

    I heard one individual put it: if you're in a long-term committed relationship just for the sex, what are you going to do once the sex is gone?
     
  3. Sergiosanz995

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    I totally agree that sex addiction is worse than pornography. I currently suffer from them, thanks to the constant addiction to pornography, I ended up generating a tolerance in which sex covers up that "lack of dose" of pleasure.

    I started sex by paying different people as escorts, then I found certain people that I don't have to pay for, it's just attending. In my sexual world I was the submissive within the fetish, the truth is that it is very difficult to get out of that spiral. When you have been abstinent from PMO for days, you feel the need to have sex. You have sex, and after you have ejaculated, you feel bad. You're in mono for two days, and then back to the cycle. It's screwed, the best thing is to break the root and delete contacts.
     
  4. Well said. I also think it needs to be pointed out that it's very easy to be a sex addict who is also a porn addict, because if you are not able to have sex, you'll turn to porn. The answer is to stop feeling like sex is something you NEED, because you don't. You need food, you need water, you need air. You don't need to have sex all the time.
     
  5. Thank you for the input. Your story seems to back up what I'm trying to say, that porn addiction and sex addiction go hand in hand, and the solution is to break dependency on either to be healthy. I worry that struggling porn addicts, especially sexually-inexperienced users similar to myself, will start to believe sex will fix all their problems. When the reality is becoming obsessed with sex is just swapping one addiction for another.
     
  6. Sergiosanz995

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    That's right, I've been abstinent for more than a year but I never considered a relapse with sex, it's the real trap that lies between us. Now I consider it a relapse, to learn my mistakes. Pornography is not on my mind because it stopped being an addiction thanks to sex addiction
     
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  7. EmperorLaStrang

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    It’s funny too because whenever I see this advice. They act as if having sex with someone or getting a girl is as easy as pulling an apple off a tree. It’s not especially in the western world. The standards imposed on men are astronomically high when before the 21st century most people married their neighbors. Everyone now is looking for someone to give them status.
     
  8. Congratulations on your success. And yes, I agree. Sex and porn both try to fill the same void, lead to the same problems.
     
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  9. It really does give me "Just pull yourself up by your bootstraps" vibes. It's well-meaning advice but becoming increasingly useless as time goes on. It's also not really advice at all, now that I think about it. The standards of many western women is insanely high, way beyond what they actually deserve. This is not their fault - they've had their brains rotted in much the same way porn has rotted men's brains. There are so many things fucked up about modern gender dynamics and relations between the sexes that I could be here all night writing it down. But I won't, because I feel like anyone who is actually paying attention, who isn't either oblivious or stupid, knows exactly what I'm talking about.

    I'm glad you brought up the marriage thing, because it's true. If this were 100 years ago, even 50 years ago, chance are I'd be married by now. Probably a father. There's now a realistic chance that these things will never happen for me, no matter how hard I try. And if I complain about this, I'm ridiculed. Insulted. Dismissed with insipid non-advice. A lot of the things that are wrong in my life are my fault, but the state of modern western society certainly is not. But if I complain about it I'm an incel apparently. Fuck off.
     
  10. To be fair, if this was 50-100 years ago, P would be harder to obtain; not as common as it is today.
     
  11. That's partly my point.
     
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  12. EmperorLaStrang

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    This exactly. Besides this porn thing which is a completely private affair. I'm a stable person, with a well paying full time job (that has benefits), no criminal record, and a strong moral compass. If this was 1965 I wouldve been married for a few years now. I probably would even have a kid.

    In this current world I'm instead gaslit, looked down upon, and side stepped for something "better." What that better is I have absolutely no clue and probably never will cause I can't be it.

    I notice its always older users who bring this up and while I personally appreciate them trying to help out. I feel it lacks understanding of this new world we find ourselves in.

    I hope I'm dead wrong but I also have a feeling I'll never be married.
     
  13. En?gmatic

    En?gmatic Fapstronaut

    Yes, imagine what happen even here in this forum if someone replace “porn addiction” with “sex addiction”. I mean, there is many people that pretend to be healed because they now have a girlfriend but then have sex every 1-2 days. Imagine what happen if they break the relationship, how much probabilities there is that the sex addict will return to porn? Because according to these stories it seem that sex is just a replacement of the porn addiction…cut girlfriend or prostitute or whatever and tou will risk to go back to your old habits, this is the reason why being a sex addict isn’t a “success story”.
     
  14. Agreed with much of what you've said. We live in a schizophrenic society that worships sex while dismissing people who don't have it as if they are overreacting. Societal gaslighting.
     
  15. Meaningless sex may as well be masturbation. Just with the risk of disease and harm to oneself increased tenfold. I think it messes you up mentally more than PMO does actually, it hollows you out and leaves you empty. Sex is supposed to be between people who care about each other.
     
  16. Yep glad you see what I mean. Having lots of sex might be good for your ego but not much else, unless you're having it with someone you actually care about. Otherwise you're just projecting your PMO addiction onto someone else. To me it's just escalation.
     
  17. I know this is a very simplistic and overly-generalized comparison, but, Porn addiction to sex addiction is basically what a bicycle is to automobile. One is just an advancement of the other. And one is just more dangerous than the other.

    I’ve been in both camps and currently recovering. My undealt porn addiction led to sex addiction in massage parlors, sadly.

    I wish I address my porn problem earlier as it would have potentially prevented me getting into illicit sex with random women.

    i think porn addiction destroy the mental capacity for self-control that a man has, which leads to a compromise of moral character in having integrity for faithfulness in terms of committing to one partner for life (marriage) in terms of sex. They are definitely connected.

    But yea, not every porn addict will venture into illicit sexual practices. But at the neurological mental level, they could be just as damaged as someone who engages in illicit sex with a bunch of partners. They’re a slave to their own depraved desires within their heart.

    just my .02 cents.
     
  18. Wuugazi32

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    Already thought about this with my wife - argue, watch films, eat food and stuff?
     
  19. I addressed this somewhat in the first post. Sex addiction works on the ego by creating the illusion that all the things you mentioned are being truly validated, but in reality they aren't, you're just falling deeper and deeper into addiction to meaningless pleasure and external validation, and it leads to self-destruction. In my honest opinion, sex shouldn't be easy to attain. It's supposed to be special, and I hate that modern society has turned it into a fast food commodity.
     
  20. Sex/ porn addiction is a global racket. Men will abase and ruin themselves to buy into an illusion. The illusion is that the most beautiful women in the world are in love with them. When masturbating to images of scantily clad women this seems to be the case. But once ejaculation is achieved, cold hard reality sets in. As your heartbeat returns to normal and your breathing stabilizes you feel shame and profound loneliness. Then after you clean yourself up, and pull up your underwear the fact you must start once more from scratch sets in. Total devastation results.Then PMO seems like a Satanical process. Which it is! The time to stop PMO is now!
     

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