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Why I believe hard mode/brahmacharya is the easiest path to avoid PMO relapses

Discussion in 'Abstinence, Retention, and Sexual Transmutation' started by iwanttoheal, Nov 16, 2020.

  1. iwanttoheal

    iwanttoheal Fapstronaut

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    And this is from a single person's perspective.

    When I first discovered nofap years ago and attempted the journey, my only intention was to heal my PIED and become more attractive to women.

    So subconsciously, I was still seeking to bust nuts, just not through porn and masturbation. Therefore, sex is still a top priority in my mind. It is VERY hard to not masturbate when I am still prioritizing sex. And instead of spending my time and energy building the person I want to become and building a life I want to live, I was seeking women and sex to validate myself.

    Sometimes we also need to ask ourselves, are we really that horny or is it the culture we grew up with that told us to put sex on such a high pedestal. Growing up in Los Angeles, I remember I just couldn't wait to lose my virginity, and when I finally lost it, one wasn't enough, and then a few just isn't enough. A lot of these messages came from the music I was listening to and the people I hung around with. I just simply wasn't cool or masculine enough unless I was sexually active. I just wasn't worthy of a person unless a woman wanted to have sex with me. And I am only saying this part, because I know how insane hard mode/brahmacharya can sound for someone who is a virgin or feels undersexed. I'm also not trying to convince that particular group to try brahmacharya. I am just suggesting that our obsession for sex could be culturally conditioned.

    Anyway, the point of this post is just to explain why I believe hard mode / brahmacharya is the best path if we want to avoid any relapses. Our intention for doing no-PMO has a huge impact on how well we succeed.
     
  2. Gold Blood

    Gold Blood Fapstronaut

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    Absolutely right, Brahmacharya is the path to follow. It is the supreme penance, the loftiest discipline. A true Brahmachari is a veritable god on earth.
     
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  3. thinking_differently

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    This. That’s why some cultures impose the practices of abstaining until marriage.

    Its pretty cool that you’re allowing to develop your own views without getting pressurised by the views of the stupid society.

    Good Luck in your journey! :)
     
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  4. Aliman8

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    Here are no best ways and Brachmacharya for begginer in NoFap is like university math for first year schoolboy. Toughest and the best are two different things. What is best for you is determined by the development level of your consciousness and you will know it by the way it feels when you're engaged in it.
     
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  5. iwanttoheal

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    If you’re single and new to this and you’re seeking to hook up or you are hooking up with girls, and you resist the chaser effect to PMO, you are indeed a very skillful person. To me that’s a lot more challenging than doing brahmacharya for a set period of time.
     
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  6. hulkfresh23

    hulkfresh23 Fapstronaut

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    hi guys it’s a quick question, is looking for a girl and have sexual relathionships is considerate a relapse? is because i have wanna take off the masturbation and porn of my life but have a casual date with girls occasionally. what is your point of view?
     
  7. iwanttoheal

    iwanttoheal Fapstronaut

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    If you’re doing hard mode, it’s a relapse. If you’re just quitting porn and masturbation, it’s not a relapse.
     
  8. hulkfresh23

    hulkfresh23 Fapstronaut

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    i wasn't sure about that, then the hard mode is no all this 3 things PMO, the point i would liket to know is what is the diferents
     
  9. iwanttoheal

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    so there’s the basic mode of removing porn/artificial sex stimulus and masturbation/edging for a set amount of time. If you want to have sex with real people during this process, it’s up to you to decide. If you want to add a healthy frequency and method of masturbation back into your life after the time is done, it’s up to you to decide.

    there’s hard mode, where you remove porn, masturbation, and any type of sexual activity for a certain amount of time. Most people do this until they find a significant other and just stick to real sex. Or if they already have a partner, they have sex again when the time is done.
     
  10. hulkfresh23

    hulkfresh23 Fapstronaut

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    Thanks for you reply was sort of clear. i was wondering that bc now i feel more sociablen and i am talking with more girls biside i felt lazy for have conversations with them, i had in my mind that have any sex is also over the game rules, how you said its well said.
     
  11. JoeinUSA

    JoeinUSA Fapstronaut

    While I'm not advocating the specific path mentioned, I do agree about the cultural conditioning - everything is sexualized. Somehow I just don't think we're meant to be sex machines for its own sake for as long as we can keep it going, no matter what, and to the expense of everything else in life.

    I also have come to discover that there are a lot of married men even, struggling in their marriages, and finding it hard to recover from PMO, especially when having occasional sex (O), satisfyingly or unsatisfyingly, with their wives. The rebounds and chasers they then experience are relentless, as there's that ongoing mindset of needing sex more and more for its own sake and not for/according to more natural rhythms and for its normal purpose.

    Just, saying, there may be something to the truth that seeking recovery in a celibate (hard mode) framework may indeed be easier, and it may be quite an illusion that having an O outlet with sex will make things easier for recovery. It doesn't really seem to be the case for many on this site.

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  12. iwanttoheal

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    I think the idea of complete abstinence is scary for a lot of people. Looking back in college. There were full years where that idea scared me and I didn’t get laid, but I just ended up masturbating to porn. If I just did hardmode, I really could have been better off.

    I think actually doing hard mode is a lot easier than the story we tell ourselves about it.
     
  13. JoeinUSA

    JoeinUSA Fapstronaut

    I could never succeed in PMO abstinence back in college - as I was PMO'ing for a reason - it was self-medicating a certain loss and hole within me. Added with the real stress and burden of studies, the sexual tension of no MO just made study and memorization harder for me - so I would MO, especially during exam times. I graduated summa cum laude, even. No pun intended. PMO was a help, not a hindrance, to studying, despite all the claims to the contrary by many on this site. It also never affected my abilities to get jobs and careers. However, PMO had its other bad effects - not dealing with the primary underlying reason for the behavior and seemingly retarding spiritual paths that I was pursuing and am still pursuing today, my primary reason for recovery still this final round.

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  14. iwanttoheal

    iwanttoheal Fapstronaut

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    i experienced something similar, where if I didn’t bust, I just couldn’t concentrate on my studies. I wish I understood what sexual transmutation was at the time. At the time, my understanding was if my balls wasn’t empty, all I could think about was releasing, therefore not busting was a distraction.
     
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