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HOW could ANY of us watch porn EVER again after seeing this?!!!

Discussion in 'Porn Addiction' started by Mark, Feb 4, 2014.

  1. Mark

    Mark Distinguished Fapstronaut

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    If you read the thread I added to the reply I go into detail of who 'they' are and you are free to make of that information what you will as I an free to express those opinions. There may well be 'discrepancies' in our views but the last thing im going to do is repeat anything said in that thread because it would be laborious repeating myself and also because ive found its usually pointless arguing about so honestly look at it if you want then make your own mind up etc :)
     
  2. faptastic

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    The only "problem" I have with homosexuality is that you need a man and a woman to continue the human race.

    I don't know WHY people became gay or how that came about. But all I know is that if everyone was gay, we would all die.

    Does that sound good to you?

    I don't know who "they" is that's why I type it like "they". But like jilted said you can go read his thread he pretty much hit it on the head.

    I'm not saying I'm right and you're wrong, would never say that. There is only perception when it comes to stuff like this.

    But I firmly believe that porn is just one of the many methods that they are using in attempt to exterminate us. Some one or some group believes that people less superior than them (whatever that means) don't deserve to exist. So they're slowly poisoning us.


    Why not just wage war you say? They can't. The truth is that we are too strong, and too many. They want us to believe the opposite. That they are all powerful and know everything and cannot be competed with.


    If that was the case, why did it take the most powerful military in the world 10 years in Iraq to "stabilize" them, and really they haven't really done that. Our military can't even eliminate the rag-tag "terrorists" in Iraq which is the size of one US state, what makes anyone think they could eliminate the whole US?


    The first step is becoming aware and the next is spreading that awareness. But it has to go deeper than that. Only once the majority of people realizes what's going on will action be able to be taken.


    And aside from all that, by stealing our sexuality, I mean they are stealing our sex energy. Which leaves us mentally and physically weak!

    But through all of this, we still have control. It's just that the majority of the masses have to relearn how to take that control, including myself.
     
  3. firequill

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    interesting footnote: Did you know that most male pornstars get paid a lot less than female ones, and that the only way to get an equivalent pay is to do gay porn, regardless of your sexuality?
    Or if you werent butch enough to be on screen, be a fluffer.. (not gonna go into what a fluffer is)

    anyone who uses porn long enough will probably have the urge to watch stuff that doesnt match the sexuality, inch by inch going over that line. (hey it's not gay if the person has tits, right? and so on)
    If, say an unscrupulous person would out them and their habits they would have been made gay(or straight) in the eys of their family and friends..
    Desperate shouts of "but i'm not, i swear!" are very unlikely to be taken seriously..
    After all, if you weren't, you wouldnt be watching a transgendered person being dp-ed by two guys while getting a bj by a plastic goat, now would you?
    "Now shut up and go to the pride-parade to show solidarity and support the other oppressed victims of society"


    i think my rambling point is, that the psychology behind porn-use and the slippery slopes within have gone untouched by the true academic world in fear of ad-hominem attacks, being shunned and ultimately silenced.

    The only ones that have really touched on it is those lobbyists that wants to infer a political view through means of misconstruing and ignoring the evidence of biology.
    So called gender-"science" is one.

    A science that builds its entire existence on ignoring scientific fact in order to peddle politics isn't a science in my mind, but a means of brainwashing.

    Obligatory namedropping quote incoming:

    "Knowledge is gained through experience, everything else is just information"
    A. einstein.

    Information can be falsified, reproduced and distributed en masse.
    Experience cannot.
     
  4. faptastic

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    I have no problem with gays and I don't hate them for their decisions. I don't want anyone to take it that way.


    I;m not sure, but I think firequill got what I was trying to say?

    Maybe he was saying the fact that you get paid more to do gay porn is yet another method inside a method at destroying the human race and our sexuality?

    And also, if you wanna take it EVEN FURTHER, it's just another means of dividing humanity to hate and fight against eachother, so we cant unify and fight against "Them"
     
  5. It's all right, I wasn't asking you (JiltedJohn).
     
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  6. It is interesting to hear you say that you don't know who "they" are. Even so, you "firmly believe that porn is just one of the many methods that they are using in attempt to exterminate us." How can you firmly believe in something when, by your own admission, you don't know what you are talking about! You say "The first step is becoming aware and the next is spreading that awareness." Please let me know when you have taken that first step.
     
  7. Madrileño

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    A point I think CuriousFem may be missing is that the porn industry is not a single entity which conceivably may be able to maintain standards, ensure health, regulate working hours etc. etc. The porn phenomenon includes individual entrepreneurs working from home as you have mentioned (free to make a profit or quit at any time) but it also includes children in the Philippines made to perform for men sitting behind a computer in Britain as recently reported by the BBC

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25750997

    and all stages in between. So there are well paid presumably happy sex workers, there are trafficked girls threatened and coerced and there are children who have no rights at all. And there are addicts like some of us who feel we have also been exploited by an industry that has taken advantage of a weakness for profit.

    Now a legitimage legal studio in California can't be held responsible for crimes committed elsewhere but in evaluating "porn" we are talking not only about the best but also the rest.

    It is now well known that compulsive viewing of pornography often change the viewer's tastes. When the mild and safe no longer produces the necessary rush we unwittingly find ourselves moving on to harder, often more violent variations. When we manage to look at ourselves like rational human beings (once in a while) we aren't pleased with the change. We find it dehumanising, degrading and demoralising - to ourselves regardless of the performers.

    However as tastes change towards the more violent and demeaning, supply and demand being what it is this inevitably means that somewhere, somehow, sometime - maybe not in your studio but somewhere - women and girls are going to be exploited and mistreated to satisfy our distorted tastes.

    Whose to blame for this? Well we are of course - but the blame is also partly shared by everyone involved. Including the "legitimate" and legal.

    If I have a buddy with a drinking problem whom I care about I might choose never to have a drink when he's about. I have the right to drink, it's legal, I'm free. But it's not loving or caring so I won't.

    It may be too much to hope the "industry" as a whole could see things that way - there's too much money involved - but maybe the odd individual might...
     
  8. I am glad you don't discriminate against people on the basis of their sexual orientation. But you do see gay porn as more negative than straight porn. But would you see straight porn as a negative thing for a gay person to watch? Perhaps you are more discriminating than you think you are.
     
  9. faptastic

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    You guys are letting the entire concept breeze right over your head.

    "They" is whoever this group of Globalists are. The group of people or person who believes that all of humanity doesn't deserve to exist. Only the "superior", whatever that means.

    There is poison in our food and water. Whoever is doing that is doing the same thing with porn. Not everyone in porn KNOWS what they are contributing to, but the people who thought it up know what purpose it serves.


    I look at all porn the same, it's all bad. No porn is worse than any other kind of porn, it's all bad. What I'm saying is you might take a totally straight person who starts with softcore porn, and progresses into Gay/transgendered person/whatever porn. If you get them to accept or convert into this instead of regular male female relations, you've succeeded in stopping another human from reproducing.

    But I digress...

    We've [fapstronauts] already established that busting to porn all the time takes away your drive to do it for real in real life. That's an agreed upon "nofap" thing as far as I can tell.

    So that right there is an attempt at poisoning and exterminating the human race. I'm just taking it even further by saying that if you promote same sex relations, that's just another method within a method at stopping human reproduction.

    I'm not saying it's gay people's fault they are gay (I do believe they have control though), I'm just saying that if everyone was gay the human race would become extinct.

    Porn is mind poison. You poison a man's mind and you have total control over that man.



    And once again, without male and female relationships, none of us would be here.
     
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  10. Thanks for that. Finally, I understand what you are saying... although I do not agree with it.
     
  11. faptastic

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    At least you see what I was trying to say! I'm not here to push beliefs only try to express them in hopes that I may help someone else or humanity in general!


    At the end of the day, I just came to the realization that at least 80% of my problems came from (PMO) a day or two ago, and I'm just happy to be regaining my life. 1d 14h in and I already feel some benefits. I can't wait to see how much better it gets over the next years of my life!
     
  12. It is good to hear you are gaining insight, feeling the benefits and thinking about a happier future. Yes, freely express your views (just be careful about the gay subtext).
     
  13. Mark

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    Ultimately nobody really knows who 'they' are which is why NEED more journalists and writers like John Pilger, David Icke, Alex Jones etc. Ok we dont have to believe EVERYTHING they discover/report but my god we need balanced news that is NOT controlled/owned by the state and if people only get their information from the mainstream media then good luck. Heres an example of 'proper' news...
    http://www.thepeoplesvoice.tv/about-the-peoples-voice/

    And the reason we dont really know who 'they' are is because the puppet politicians are never those actually in charge as those who call the shots would never put themselves on public display but again we are all free to agree or disagree with this but I would strongly urge people to do their own research on this.

    Again I urge you to read this conversaion which may either serve as a source of potential 'enlightenment' or a right good laugh but honestly thats not my concern:eek:...

    http://www.nofap.org/forum/showthre...-of-mind-control-(an-interesting-perspective)

    So to be fair to faptastic (these names kill me!:D) the first step might just be becoming aware that something is VERY wrong and that there might just be a 'they' behind an increasingly apparent 'agenda' which of course there is/has to be but thats the tricky part and probably the most controversial subject there is (and maybe thats because truth will always be controversial in a culture/society built on a pack of self serving 'stop at nothing' lies?)

    I actually believe those in the real 'decision' making positions (and those that serve them) are psychopaths in the truest sense of the word and they filter their 'values' down to the rest of us via the 'institutions'/organisations etc that they have established and again I strongly urge people to research this and come to your own conclusions (or even disprove it?) and NOT argue on here (not that we will ;))

    Unfortunately (or not i would suggest) we have clearly entered into the realm of 'conspiracy theories' which is a particularly convenient umberella used to rubbish/discredit anything and everything that comes remotely close to uncovering the truth and yet I remember that classic example of how anybody can NOT become president George Dubya Bush repeating what he had be told to say, "We will not tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories surrounding the events of 911." Really? How convenient! "Quick love, turn the news on apparently Im a terrorist if I question our government!" Bingo!! Maybe?!?!?:eek:
     
  14. jiltedjohn, I am not remotely interested in any of this because, in my honest opinion, it has nothing to do with my goal to stop masturbating. I kept asking the fapgasmic guy what it was just to point out that he was promulgating something he didn't even understand.
     
  15. Mark

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    No problem, all the best with your goals mate :)
     
  16. firequill

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    *fair warning, long rant that may or may not be relevant to you*

    Someone telling you that questionable material that your gut screams "DANGER" at, is good for you?

    Listen to your gut. not the talking heads on tv urging you to indulge, to gorge yourself and not to worry about consequence. thats pretty much why we are here after all.

    Which poison would you prefer to use after all?
    The one that kills your enemies efficiently.
    Or
    The one that makes your enemy your mindless handpuppet?

    Here is a long-winded paraphrase of something i once read that has stuck in my mind ever since:
    (with some artistic license ofcourse)

    -The aspiring supreme rulers handbook *abridged version* As experienced by humanity for thousands of years:

    Lowering nativity of disgruntled subjects serves to keep the risk of being overthrown to a minimum.
    Look what happened in france when the angry peasants' numbers became too high to intimidate.
    If the discontents are a majority in a region, rule larger areas and make them a minority thusly.
    Then use loyals from another region to root them out.

    If the decimated people are going to figure you out, make them dumb.
    Introducing mindnumbing media to halt independent thought is a tried and true tactic, has worked since the colisseum of rome (and surely further back), and still works today, albeit with better effects.

    If they are too strong and pose a physical threat individually, make them weak.
    Make them lazy, invent excuses for them not to be active.
    Denounce fitness and strength as something negative and plebian, and applaud the weakling apathetic, hold him as an example to follow.
    Punish those who do not follow suit with scorn and limits on their freedoms and happiness, make the weakling show that his behaviour gains him happiness for emphasis.

    If that fails introduce poison into "upgraded" manmade versions of what made the people strong, insist on your version being better for everybody, work to crowd out or outright ban the old stuff.
    Bribes may come in handy for noname "experts" in generic white coats giving you their stamp of approval for all to see.

    Never forget to build up an arsenal of negative connotations linked to any phrases your enemies may use against you.
    That way you don't even have to defend yourself, your enemies own kin and family will gladly stand up and denounce them for you, and laugh while doing it.

    If a people is outside your control, demonise them to the point that your own doubters will pick up arms and kill your enemy for you, Propaganda is never as effective as it is when your subjects think they are in danger of acute harm. (be it physical, religious, or ideological, apply where applicable)

    And last but not least, hold yourself up as the bystander that is never involved directly, instead act through proxies.
    Preferrably let the people you intend to enslave choose from a few puppets that you have approved beforehand.

    That way they can only blame themselves if they feel they chose wrong, and will fight internally instead of following the strings back to you.

    This is how enslavement of people, mind and body has always been done before, albeit somewhat less sophisticated than now.

    Basic human needs are our best friends when we are in control of them, when we give that control over to someone else, they become weapons against us.

    The porn thing is just a piece of it, and that's the piece I am here to solve for myself.
     
  17. faptastic

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    Not everyone has to believe.

    But "WE" are growing in number.

    "WE" are gaining strength.

    "WE" are regaining consciousness.

    "WE" are getting our SOULS back.

    "WE" will mot tolerate this for much longer.




    I've been really meditating on what we can do to "fight" back lately.

    Some of us here are on the same page, and we all know who each other are.

    This is my proposition....


    All of us need to collectively meditate against "them". We don't have to know who "they" are, but thoughts are things, and powerful things at that. So we all need to allot a little time each day to sending vibrations out into the universe to combat all the negative, nasty vibrations/frequencies they are sending out to us.


    The only way to defeat "them" is to get the "collective consciousness" on a higher level of vibration, and keep spreading awareness, one soul at a time.


    I love you all, I love humanity.

    I'll be the first to tell you, I don't understand it all. I never will. You never will. That's the beauty of perception. But as long as we're all somewhere on the same page with the same general ideas, we can make progress against this attempted extermination of the human race. Or at least an attempted extermination on the ability to think for one's self.
     
  18. Mark

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    I enjoyed reading that (if you know what I mean) and I wish you all the very best with your goals mate :)

    "It is rotten and dismal that a world of so many hundred million people should be ruled by a single caste that has the power to lead millions to life or to death, indeed on a whim...This caste has spun its web over the entire earth; capitalism recognizes no national boundaries...Capitalism has learned nothing from recent events and wants to learn nothing, because it places its own interests ahead of those of the other millions. Can one blame those millions for standing up for their own interests, and only for those interests? Can one blame them for striving to forge an international community whose purpose is the struggle against corrupt capitalism? Can one condemn a large segment of the educated Sturmer youth for protesting against the greatest ability? Is it nor an abomination that people with the most brilliant intellectual gifts should sink into poverty and disintegrate, while others dissipate, squander, and waste the money that could help them? ... You say the old propertied class also worked hard for what it has. Granted, that may be true in many cases. But do you also know about the conditions under which workers were living during the period when capitalism “earned” its fortune?" ~ Joseph Goebbels

    "Keep you doped with religion, sex, and TV.
    And you think your so clever, and classless, and free.
    But your still fucking peasants as far as I can see." ~ John Lennon

    "All matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves." ~ Bill Hicks
     
  19. Mark

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    This thread won't be for everyone, I always knew that would be the case, and neither should it be (and it's a real shame that whenever anyone dare speak the truth in our 'free' world it is often considered a 'rant' as our minds are systematically conditioned from cradle to grave to protect the 'lie' whilst we also protect 'ourselves' from the responsibility of true 'freedom' having been completely and utterly brainwashed into giving our power away to those who seek to impose theirs.)

    "When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace" - Jimi Hendrix

    It's a bit like learning styles, some are visual, some auditory etc and I guess there are various addiction 'quitting' styles?? For me at least, when I've quit participating in anything that I came to realise was doing me harm, from sugar, to alcohol, to meat etc, it's always helped me enormously to be aware of the effects something was having on me, why that was so, why it is so prevalent in a 'civilised' society, what it's origins are, and what I/we can do about it if it (like raising awareness etc etc) and this 'why, what, where, when, how?' approach has always been an integral part of the recovery process for some, but like I said not all.

    So to anyone reading please take this thread if it helps, or leave it if it doesn't which is totally fine as our main purpose for being here is to help each other and be helped in a spirit of mutually beneficial cooperation. I wish you all the very best with your goals etc :)
     
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