even as i ask this i know it's not a good idea... slippery slope to M..still interested hear what you say
Do you consider it a relapse? It´s up to you and your goals if you count it or not. You posted it in the abstinence section, so what are your goals? You are free to define for yourself where "abstinence" starts. Maybe you'll find out in testing the one way and the other way, then you may feel what's right for you.
As long as you are not edging and fantasizing about porn while you hold your meat, I won't consider that as a relapse.
Thanks guys, it's too dangerous for me.. i did that the other day. And then today again kind of preparing with a condom. And I couldn't really help myself. My goal is basically to work on my PIED and a little anxiety I guess I developed because of it. I wanted to get more comfortable just putting on a condom. So that's why i experimented a bit. But I think I could do those things one after the other.. Get a nice long streak and then later on work in the condom stuff. Thanks everyone!
I do it all the time relieves me to know that my member still works as i progress through flatline. Im personally at a point where i want sex now not artificial sex so i crave an orgasm but not the M so im okay with it