Everyone here has tried it, it is the same method, same equation, maybe the harms of Porn are more due to higher dopamine and different biological process done in our minds. But Masturbation is still the origin of Porn and its side effects are known, everyone here suffers from it, yet I notice people here who defend Masturbation without porn and still alleging that Masturbation alone has benefits! A person who does the mistake, feels guilty about it, tries to correct himself but he's still defending the same mistake.
Exactly man. Good post. Masturbation in itself is still a drug that gets you high and can still be addicting. At my low point I tried to convince myself that it was ok to do without porn and I still felt affected from it.
I personally don't overall feel that guilty if I masturbate without porn or artificial sexual stimulation. If I masturbate just using my imagination it's over in like 5 minutes. If I masturbate to porn and artificial sexual stimulation on the internet it can last hours. I don't really think masturbation on it's own has much benefits, maybe apart from relieving stress or a sexual urge, but that's about it. The issue I more have with some guys on this is they genuinely think that masturbation on it's own is basically just as bad as masturbating to porn. No one knows exactly how long men have been masturbating, but it is likely at least hundreds of years, and probably much longer. But if men have been masturbating for hundreds of years and probably much longer, then why did men, especially young men basically never suffer with erectile dysfunction through out history? Why has it only really been since after the millennium young healthy men have started suffering with erectile dysfunction? As far as I am concerned the reason this has happened is because of high speed internet. High speed internet was the first time in human history you could get unlimited high speed sexual content in one click. This is very different to one porn dvd/video or magazine. The way the sexual content is being delivered is very different. It's extreme novelty. Surely it can't be a coincidence to you that erectile dysfunction rates were near non existent in young healthy men before high speed internet, and then after high speed internet erectile dysfunction issues in young healthy men are now at an alarming rate. Surely that can't be a coincidence to you?
This is the fact man. Throughout history people have been masturbating, but they have been aware about its symptoms and harms on them, this is why when you read some about it from the past you will find them against Masturbation. It's not just about PIED. PMO or lets say Masturbation and any of its derivatives does effect the consumer in his Mental, Body, and psychological health. It effects it really bad in the long term even if it was moderate. Also Maturbation is not that different where a person keeps fantacizing, more fantasies then he naturally will go for porn. Porn has a worse hams maybe in the shorter term, so if 2 years are enough to destruct a person's health by porn it will need extra couple of years to happen with Masturbation only. From an experience; one day you may reach a hell of fatigue JUST by thinking about to give in. either by sexting or just random Insta pics. Stress is increased by Masturbation not decreased and you will understand that after a decade of consumption.
Every time we masturbate, we are HURTING/INJURING OURSELVES especially prone meaning laying on our stomachs, and humping on the floors, beds, etc. back and forth, and also sideways. I have not masturbating over a month and if I can stop this, everybody can too.
#1. In recent times [ the last 50 years or so] people have been taught that fapping is healthy and fine. #2. Ever try telling a pothead that marijuana has harmful effects?
The gate was locked shut from the beginning of time. People started gradually hitting the gate and weakening the gate around the 70s. Over time the gate got weaker and weaker. In 2006 the gate was knocked down completely.
I would say the gate was knocked down completely by 2002-2003ish.. this was around the time my pals and me found quite a few sites that I will not name offering up free lengthy videos.. 2006 was many guys already experiencing symptoms. I remember finding sexual exhaustion forums by this time actually, as this was my first go around experiencing issues and finding other guys having the same symptoms. I wish I was born a decade earlier.. (in the 70s) maybe I wouldn't have been exposed as much and already been older and more mature and not had time for PMO. It seems to be mainly a late 20s-late 30s issue predominantly.
I don't think that masturbation "per se" is a problem or has anything unhealthy about it. I have yet to see scientific proof that masturbation as an isolated sexual act produces any harm. Human beings have probably masturbated since the beginning of times. This behavior is also common among other mammals. The problem is excessive masturbation, the keyword being "excessive" and not masturbation. "Excessive" anything is a problem, be it excessive drinking, eating, playing computer games, whatever. Link excessive masturbation habits to porn and you have the problem we all suffer from. But let us not mistake two things that, up until the invention of the internet (namely high speed internet) were not usually related. The problem with addicts like us is that we have poor impulse control and the fact that initiating a behavior that is related to our addiction usually ends up in a relapse. If you linked masturbation to porn in your brain, and we all have, masturbation will end up in you seeing porn, eventually. This is the real mistake we make. So, no, I don't think masturbation itself is intrinsically bad, harmful or shameful. However, if your religious or philosophical beliefs say otherwise, you will feel guilty and ashamed. That being said, masturbation as trigger to watch porn is a definitely a problem and as I said before, it is extremely hard for us to dissociate both.
^ This is completely false Porn was around before the internet. There were porn addicts before the internet serious degenerate scary porn addicts, and you would see them because they had to go out to get their porn other than magazines and videos. There were porn theaters and little booths where people would go to fap, and you would see them come out of those places eyes glazed. I saw more porn addicts before the internet became mainstream than I do now. I assume that is because now they can do it at home, but they were there before the internet. And even in the cases of not going out to the perv theaters lots of people knew someone who spent the summer holidays inside wanking to magazines. How is the internet any different than being in a porn store with an endless variety of videos and magazines?. Also even before video and photos people always have had their imaginations I believe C.S Lewis the author of the lion witch and wardrobe wrote about the dangers of fapping something about how real women can not compete with the endless harem one has in there mind. ^ This is part of the pushing of it on society and things people are told, but what you said is totally false. It is not COMMON among any animals only humans. And the few cases really only happen EVER to animals in captivity. Now maybe the duckbilled platypus in Ecuador was caught fapping once in the wild, but that is far from common. I think all the footage of Monkees doing it is of Monkees in captivity.
Most of my relapses were based on my Imagination. The consumption of videos was much less than consumption of Masturbation itself because of a photo or sexting or just using my mind. I have masturbated 6 times only once in my life, 5 times twice in my life and those three days were hell to me. 4 times were very seldom and 3 times was not always. So my average masturbation was about 15 times a month, and nowadays I am living in hell of symptoms. Dude, the word excessive is also applied on drugs, cigarettes, weed; we can have them moderately or excessively, but a poison is always a poison no matter you take it once or twice a week, it will keep damaging your body until collapse.
I'm getting the feeling that some people here are trying to pass the idea that masturbation is intrinsically evil and harmful, based on their personal experiences and beliefs. I have yet to see any serious, credible, scientific studies that occasional masturbation is damaging to human health. Everyone is free to believe what they want but don't mix personal opinions with facts. @Mr.Chips I'm sorry, but I believe you are missing the point. Masturbation may be problematic to porn addicts, but what I mean is that poison here is porn, not masturbation itself. For example, wine is not a "poison" (unlike cigarettes, that are always poisonous) if you drink it occasionally in small quantities, but if you are addicted to alcohol you cannot touch a glass of wine. The real problem is not the wine, is the addiction.
Then keep waiting until "YourbrainonMasturbation.com" pops. A lot of articles speak about the harms of masturbation, search them up. Good luck to you.
The problem I have with masturbation is that for the porn addict it can lead you right back into PMO vortex. PMO is like crack cocaine. MO is like regular cocaine. Once you have had crack cocaine regular cocaine is not going to be enough for you. So it’s best to just have no cocaine.
Just a few points - Porn is 100 times worse - Masturbation addiction without porn most likely won't exist - Masturbating ends up in ejaculation and that's not good, we should be retaining our semen and not even having sex for 90 days - We should avoid masturbating as it will lead to porn with certainty - We should avoid masturbation without porn regardless, there are costs