I orgasmed today, Not to porn, but with a toy. I don't count that as a relapse or a slip because I'm not masturbating or watching porn. I don't have an issue with masturbation. I have an issue with porn, I think No PMO towards porn is the right direction for me because porn is what is bad and harmful, and what isn't natural. Other than that I feel great. I don't feel like crap when other then when I engage with porn. Feel free to try to convince me other wise that isn't tied to any religious beliefs.
Lol, what a first sentence for the post title. Ive done MO during nofap, although not usually with toys. I strongly believe its nowhere near the same or even bad at all, as were not consuming toxic stimuli and promoting a hateful abusive industry that robs us and other people of our dignity. You cant activate the Coolidge Effect with MO, which is a big deal. However, I have heard of "arousal addiction" and sometimes wonder if that applies to me. I have used MO as a crutch to process emotions and problems in my life, and dont think thats always good. The biggest issue I struggle with MO only nofap, is that it "activates" my hyper addictive brain. I "want more" and "need more" like Im building a buffet of disgusting smut in my head. For that reason, I try to avoid it unless necessary. Lucky for me though, since I got PIED I cant do much MO these days anyway..
hey mate, here to add my 2 cents. you aren’t wrong, masturbating to porn is a lot worse than masturbating to your thoughts of even a toy. What I will say is I would avoid it entirely because you are substituting one with the other. The idea to kick an addiction is to be able to push through the urges. I’ll give you an example. if I am a smoker who smokes strength 16 cigarettes and I decide to now smoke strength 8 cigarettes, I can claim “it isn’t as bad as 16 strength” however it is still bad. the idea is not to substitute by fulfilling your urges the moment you feel an urge, you have fight through the urge. The only time I would tell anyone to “fullfill” their urge is if it’s with a real woman. Even if you are in a relationship, you don’t have access to sex at any given will, you do however have access to masturbation at any given time or even toys and porn. If you are unable to control urges to the point where you have to constantly release those urges, then you will never have fully gotten full control over your urges. keep in mind, I am someone who doesn’t believe in “monk mode”. I believe O “orgasm” is essential for a reboot and rewiring, however with a real woman and nothing else. be keen to hear what you think of my logic. This is how I view it, a lot of people seem to try and substitute PMO with something like toys or masturbation without porn, but all they are really doing is giving into their urges in other ways than PMO.
