45 Mass Shootings in the USA This Year

I believe we are here to discuss gun control, not say hurtful things to each other. The world is filled with horrible people hurting others. Isn't that why we are here? To discuss what to do about that?

To make a plan to stop this mindless violence and understand ways of preventing it in the future? I believe this thread has been turned around. Hopefully we can get back to being civilized

 

@IGY and @Eric'sBlue, I'm sure you both have something in common in your opinions. Maybe you guys are just misunderstanding each other. Please have peace my brothers. You are both good men and have good hearts. There is something wonderful in common right there.

You both can be heard.

 

Sometimes there's no way to be nice in political arguments. Illegal immigrants really are malcontents/5th column agitators, Lindsey Graham really is zero, and gun grabbers really are neotenous people who want to live comfortable "enlightened" lives while daddy government does all the unpleasant shit that keeps their utopia running.

 

"Guns don't kill people, people kill people"

 

@IGY Gun rights are what makes our Constitution unique. You know, the law we wrote when we escaped the oppression of the King. The Framers and the ratifiers all believed that we have the right to be armed, hence the inclusion of Amendment 2. It may alarm you to know that. But I much prefer it this way. Gun bans are a classic feature of police states, such as the UK.

 

You silly Brit. Anyway, you're welcome in the US anytime. We like Brits here.

 

Take away guns, people will kill you with a knife, an arrow, a fist. Granted, guns make it easier, but when you take away someone's weapon, you take away their power. You take away a their power, you make them scared. You make people scared, they get backed in a corner. They get backed in a corner, they won't need a gun to chew their way out.

It's like saying "cavemen killed each other with rocks, so rocks should have been taken away from them".

If you think about it, it makes sense (to me) that people (from the US) believe Britain is a police state. We see "the people have less rights" and "monarchy has all the power". It's hard for me not be afraid of losing a right that was given to me by my country.

To me, it's like saying voyeurism (it apparently is) and prostitution are a crime and then selling porn and making porn so readily available. Take guns away, but it's against the 2nd amendment and you are in the same position. Loop holes and hypocrisy in my opinion.

 

We don't go on about a right to possess explosives or tanks because we don't have a right to possess explosives or tanks. We have a right to bear arms. We have a right to freedom of speech. We have a right to be who we want to be. I could care less about my gun being taken away. I care about my rights as a U.S. citizen to have a gun, freedom of speech, etc.

 

It all depends on culture. Gun ban in South Korea, Japan, and Australia helped lower crime rate. Especially in South Korea and Japan were the murder rates are very low.

 

Look we don't need stricter gun confiscation laws what we need to do is to stop turning churches, schools, and universities into gun free zones if someone on campus was armed with a gun this guy would've been shot dead. But no we have to have all these things in place and this still doesn't stop crazy people people from having guns. The main problem is that when the Democrats take over a city and take all the guns they are areas turned into absolute shooting grounds where the criminals have the guns but not people. Obama is trying to push gun confiscation on this country if he gets this through every other weapon will be on the chopping block next.

 

I'm having a hard time thinking of a specific law that would have prevented this or any other mass shooting.

 

I know this isn't a popular opinion on this thread, but I believe people who are tasked with protecting those they watch over (teachers, professors, campus police, etc) have a right to have weapons to defend against shootings. They should be trained, of course. So many lives have been lost simply because mentally ill citizens have gotten weapons either legally or illegally. This is about, in my opinion, mentally disturbed people getting their hands on weapons. That wouldn't change because of gun laws.

What would we do with all of the weapons in circulation, or currently owned? Throw them in the ocean? Put them in a locked-down warehouse somewhere? How would the government enforce such a law? How would the government even retrieve all of the weapons owned across America? If it would somehow work, it's very likely that the gun trade would go underground and these criminals, who are the problem, would be the ones to get access to them easily. I don't think it's okay to take away the rights of many because of the wrongs of the few. I'm all for stricter laws in place for providing guns to citizens, such as mental health check-ups, etc, but I'm not sure it would make a big difference.

Also, I tend to lean toward conspiracy theories as well, but I will not get into that here as it doesn't seem to be welcome.

 

I'm also having a hard time seeing how a gun had anything to do with a lunatic killing people. He could have stabbed 14 people easy. Hell, I could go right now and do it. It's not about the guns. It's about power. You take away people's rights, guns, speech etc. and they are powerless.

Who has the power now? The police, the government, the X-men... Everyone but the people. They've already started shutting down independent farmers and building containment camps that are "empty", but guarded 24 hours a day. I have seen and read many pictures, videos, and articles. It's not a conspiracy anymore if we have evidence. We do now.