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You are not an addict

Discussion in 'Self Improvement' started by SolidStance, Mar 29, 2016.

  1. That's right. Read it again. You are not an addict. End this habit, that is all it is: a bad habit that we can kick. Nothing holds us down without our hands on the rope. LET GO.

    I no longer believe that we are addicts struggling to get by. We ended up just being bored, undisciplined, privileged, purposeless lost souls who lacked the bigger picture. WAKE UP. You are not addicted anymore.

    I know I am not an addict. I don't crave porn and I don't have urges anymore. I see the larger perspective now and I have shit to do. I am too damn busy to worry about what the instinctive mind wants. All urges can be broken down into instinctivness just like hunger or thirst. Your body is meant to mate and gather food. This lifestyle of getting everything grown or hunted, packaged and shipped to your door is causing the instinctive mind to go soft and only trigger on the easy and available things it can find: the desire to mate. Seeing as technology has made the act of seeing other people mate has confused your brain into thinking that it is actually mating and you become a numb ghost as you sit and watch.

    The instinct keeps us alive. It is the part of the mind that says when to eat food and when to drink water. It pushes protein to the muscles and it tenses your stomach when it feels threatened. Hone in your skills at observing that part of the mind and you can see the urge to masturbate coming a mile away.

    Changing your life means adjusting your routine so that the mind is occupied. Give the mind its right to play in areas that positively impact your life. Let it guide you in creating, keeping healthy, staying alive and finding someone to share your life with.

    Hone in on the intellect and let it help you learn. Let it guide you into new areas of thinking and self-reflection. Come up with better ways to live and think outside the box.

    We don't just try to avoid porn. We dive into the root of the cause and we dig like hell out of this mud pit that we fell into. This isn't about staying away from technology. Tech is here to stay so get used to it. BUT, don't let it run your life. We need balance. We need to be aware of the different areas of the mind and give them the respect they deserve, but don't give them the keys to the castle.

    Living properly means:

    • Adjusting your diet according to your lifestyle.
    • Making sure you have fun and don't work so hard you get stressed.
    • Use this body and let it play in a gym.
    • Open a book and let the thinking part of the mind roam into the great halls of invention and imagination.
    • Meet someone who you can share all this with and raise some good kids who will make you proud.
    Don't eat to feed the tongue. Don't watch to entertain the lust. Don't sit for hours on end to waste away. Make something of yourself by using the tools you were born with, don't run from them.
     
  2. kk76

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    I am an addict. I tick the boxes. However I am proud of that and do not say it with any shame. Any bad things from my past motivate me to not be like that in future and to use my back story to help others
     
  3. Right on! Words are powerful. If we choose to define ourselves as addicts then we will stay addicts as long as we do so. As you think, so shall you become. I try to tell myself every day that I am free and that I am well.
     
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  4. Sarapeo

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    Thanks SolidStance. I appreciate your words. I need to act on them.
     
  5. Buzz Lightyear

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    I noticed someone using the letters AV to represent the 'Addict Voice'. This could be a useful method to overcome the divide that exists between those that are hesitant to see themselves as addicts, as it implies powerlessness and compulsion, and those who talk of the 'inner addict'.

    So rather than BE an addict, there is an 'addict voice' that tells us we are an addict. Part of the process of recovery involves developing a counter voice, and a vocabulary, that can distance itself from the AV and, by doing so, act as an aid in overcoming the addiction. It is the development of a voice that believes in itself, that believes it has the power to write its own life.

    Some may think this is 'unscientific'. But that is hardly a criticism because we are dealing with our humanity here. We are not looking at natural causes for our behaviour, but at the way in which we, as rational agents, conduct our own lives. And for that, we need to go to psychology, literature, and the humanities. We're talking about the power of words here, the narrative we tell ourselves, the self-delusions we buy into, and the power of belief.
     
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  6. Anyone who has ever worked with hypnosis, affirmations, or any of the plethora of ways in which we can change our thoughts and feelings about things via manipulating our subconscious will know the power of the language we use to describe ourselves. It still makes me cringe a little when I hear how NA and AA make people who've long since quit their habits still introduce themselves as addicts or alcoholics respectively - the way you describe yourself really affects your self image, which then goes on to affect your thoughts and actions.

    The truth is, some people here may have come here as "addicts", and some people here were perhaps here for other reasons - but it really does us no favours to continue describing ourselves as addicts, regardless. Sure, acknowledge the problem, take responsibility for how bad the problem may have been for you, if that was the case, but realise immediately that you no longer need to hold onto this image, and going forward, you're working on the new you. Whether you used to use/still use the term addict for yourself or not, there's no reason to stick with it. Stop identifying with the person you no longer want to be, start identifying with your future self who has already overcome this.

    We are much like rats in a lab who have been conditioned to go after a particular pellet because of the dopamine fix contained within, our evolutionary reward circuits telling us that this must be necessary for survival. Unlike those rats, we've been blessed with reason, and so rather than being stuck playing with that lever forever, we've been given the chance to step back, assess the situation, and see the bigger picture. The moment you have even recognised the problem, and made the conscious decision to fix it, you are already that new you - the only thing left to do is to get rid of all those reward circuits telling you otherwise. That'll take time, patience, and hard work, but after you've made the decision to make it happen, it is inevitable.
     
  7. SnowWhite

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    Very right. You become what you envision.
    There I also suggest using a positive language.

    That's why I am even not so happy with this site's name - "NoFap", because there is still the suggestive word "Fap" in it.
    I also don't like the quote here "I do not hate people anymore" .. Why not "I love people"?

    BTW, self hypnosis brought wonders to me. Daily just 10 minutes, but daily - this is really changing everything.
     
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  8. Buzz Lightyear

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    For years I had an aversion to 'positive thinking'. I think this is because my crazy stepmother was always spouting on about 'The Power of Positive Thinking' by Norman Vincent Peale. And even though I still have an aversion to this kind of positive thinking there is another kind of positive thinking that I've learnt to understand. And I think understand is here the key concept; you 'stand under' a greater conception of Life that is larger than a mere mechanical or psychological one. You develop, in a positive sense, your innate abilities which are directed toward, and guided by, some metaphysical reality. Of course, this reality is not fully known, but is rather a normative concept which you believe and feel yourself orientated towards as a plant to the sun. Where the old power of positive thinking attempted to find a power within itself, the new 'positive thinking' I found, which in reality is ancient, is about finding yourself empowered by a power beyond yourself.

    I think a large part of the holocaust of addiction that surrounds us today is caused by a collapse of that metaphysical reality, which once provided the 'atmosphere' within which our intelligence and emotion could breathe.
     
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  9. Even if we use the word "addiction" it's important to make a distinction between how we use it. Like for example "I am" vs "I have". I AM not an addict. I HAVE an addiction maybe, just for a sake of example. But I am not my addiction, it does not define me. I am just me with this thing that I have, but we are separate and I am not it. Or maybe I have a lot of fat. But I am NOT fat.
     
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  10. Buzz Lightyear

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    The old chestnut surfaces again. ha ha

    A good point you raise about not identifying yourself as an addict.

    The problem though is the very word addiction connotes compulsion; how can you free yourself from something you are compelled to do?

    The way out [and the logical way out] is to recognise two selves, within whatever discourse suits your persuasion. Some will go with a modern, others with a more traditional discourse. The rational desire/self/ will must at some point gain the strength to overcome the natural/ instinctive desire. So yes, you can overcome an addiction that you have... presently.

    I think this discussion only goes to highlight the limitations of a scientific discourse that can only frame itself in terms of natural causation. This discourse is often tied to the idea of the 'inner addict', and that one will be forever a 'recovering addict', or an addict in remission. To talk of truly overcoming an addiction necessitates presupposing an autonomous and self-developing agency that lies within us all. There is usually a military metaphor, or interpretation, involved; one will gain victory in vanquishing the foe [language is being used symbolically here with a stress on meaning... the rigorous respectable scientific mind will more often than not have an aversion to this use of language as the standard they follow - which sadly the world is now subject to - is one of theoretical correctitude]. A possible silver lining to this cloud of addiction is that we may finally attain to self-knowledge through it... and in getting through it.
     
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  11. Judicious 7

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    Speaking of which, Buzz what do you think about the phrase "Once an addict, always an addict"?
     
  12. Buzz Lightyear

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    A self-defeating, fatalistic, self-pitying simplicity.:)
     
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  13. Judicious 7

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    Yeah, I think the same in a lot of ways. I mean, sure there's the learned behaviors we have, but it doesn't mean that recovery isn't an option or even a possibility. I can't put it the same way you put it (since you have a fabulous way with words lol) but yeah.
     
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  14. Ikindaknew

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    Well,

    I disgress on that one. Recovery is very possible yes. But the risk to fall back into the trap also exists. At least , this is how I read it. I like the "security" or stating that I have a problem with such behavior/substance and that I'll always need to be vigilant in the presence of such trigger.
    Like a smoker that will not hang out outside with smokers or an ex-alcoholic that wont start working in a liquor store or behind a bar.

    I want to keep staying away from porn and I sure hope that I'll never try to convince myself that I'm healed now and that its now ok to watch a little bit.

    My 2 cents
     
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  15. Well Said!
     
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  16. Kennen

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    I join nofap not to cure my addiction, but to support my addiction.
     
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  17. I'm not Buzz but I'll offer my 2c on this.

    I used to be addicted to IV opiates. I'd spend all day with a syringe in my arm. It pretty much became my life. I was surrounded by other helpless addicts and I really didn't see a way out. Every time I tried to quit, my desire to get clean was outweighed by how good the feeling of the drug felt, and I simply relapses. It was an endless cycle for a year of me saying "I'm going to quit" and then immediately relapsing after 2-3 days, over and over. I saw this happening to friends and others I spoke to online etc, and I just admitted defeat, deciding that "Once an addict, always an addict" was true, and I'd never escape who I was.

    At the beginning of last year, after a series of unpleasant events involving my stupidity with drugs that almost got me killed, I decided enough was enough. I got off the IV immediately, and switched to the stuff that's in Suboxone temporarily since I wasn't ready to face withdrawals yet. This time though, something had changed. I was no longer trying to run away from my addiction, this time I had something to run forwards to instead. I'd taken up spiritual practice again, and wanted to be meditating and working on myself spiritually every day. I knew from my own experience that I couldn't do that while high. So I tapered down the Suboxone, until I was off that too.

    Soon I'd also quit cigarettes, and every other drug (aside from alcohol, which I still occasionally indulge in since it never caused me any problems). My desire for opiates and other drugs, was replaced by a desire for spiritual progress. I've had the opportunities to take free drugs - and it simply doesn't interest me any more, I wouldn't do them now even if I was paid to. Just over a year ago if you'd told me I'd be saying that, I'd have laughed in your face and said "I'll never say that in my life", but people do change.

    The key however, was changing what I wanted. If you try to quit, while you still want to use, it's just a waiting game until you relapse. You have to change that want, to no longer want that thing, and to love and want something better and healthier instead. Doing that makes the difference, and can transform an addict into someone healthy.
     
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  18. Judicious 7

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    Yeah exactly. Like I myself know that this learned behavior of getting off to porn will always be a memory or thing in my life that I knew very well. It was easier to drown in vice than to accept life. So, though I may find it easier to accept life, I know that porn is something i'm susceptible to for possibly the rest of my life.
     
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  19. Contentful T

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    No I assure you I am an addict. But that is not all I am nor is it all I will ever be.
     

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