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Why is masturbation said to be healthy?

Discussion in 'Self Improvement' started by Dailydoer, Apr 10, 2015.

  1. Limeaid

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    Very interesting Eric'sBlue! The voodoo music makes it sound very "out there"!! Have you ever seen any if Mark Passio's stuff? Very interesting.

    To quote the most intelligent man on earth (in my opinion!):

    "Propaganda is to a democracy what the bludgeon is to a totalitarian state.”
    Noam Chomsky, Media Control: The Spectacular Achievements of Propaganda
     
  2. zeroedout

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    This is just my opinion, but--Aw, you are harsh direwolf. the truth is that masturbation and erotic entertainment/porn can both be healthy. maybe not as hobbies, and more likely not at all healthy as addictions. doesn't mean the people who make porn are evil liars. Alot of people have jobs they don't believe are ethical, or that aren't seen as ethical. doesn't mean they are all lowlife maniacal bastards.
     
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  3. fapstronaut1337

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    I think it is more a question of how frequent it is done. Like the taoists believe:

    "A man may attend health and longevity if he practices an ejaculation frequency of twice monthly, or 24 times a year. If at the same time he pays careful attention to proper diet and exercise, he will live a long and healthy life." Sun Simiao

    There are different theories among Tao theorists on how frequency should be measured. However as each man is different, we each need to determine for ourselves which level of frequency leaves us most strong and refreshed instead of tired, empty and depressed.

    One Tao theorist recommends ejaculation based upon the frequency of intercourse rather than day intervals with ejaculation only 2 or 3 times in 10.

    The most respected of the Tao theorist, Sun Simiao, quoted above, recommends ejaculation no more than once every 20 days for men over 50 and no more than once every 100 days for men over 60.

    So the older we get the less frequent we should ejaculate.

    Another Tao theorist more recommends robust men may have more ejaculations than other men but recommends ejaculation control and restrained frequency for both.
    Which is why I still try to control it, and at the moment while still going trough my reboot I abstain from masturbation completely. I might start later in life with two weeks frequency but I doubt it... To only ejaculate during sex and not during every sex session has been so much more empowering for me.
     
  4. Sure, it's understandable that occasional ejaculation allows the body to replenish itself, and stimulating the lingam/prostate semi-regularly is also important. However, in terms of overall health, while abstaining is not traditionally considered beneficial; for addicts it is a case of what is necessary to bolster our physical/mental state to that of a healthy person. Not to mention, our body is already overworked and exhausted from the excessive fapping that has occurred over years and even decades. "Textbook" masturbation is only healthy when practiced an unrealistic amount (i.e. twice a month).
     
  5. ArchZiegel

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    You are right. Look at what JAV (Japanese Adult Video) does to japan. Their birth rate are so low that they are prone to extinction
     
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  6. crushurcravings

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    Agree 100% with this.
     
  7. To me it seems like we are becoming less sure about our roles in an over-sexualised society... Take religions in which followers have declined (I'm an ex catholic)... Catholicism states that masturbation is a sin and that there should be no sex before marriage. Within older societies people knew their sexual order due to religion and/or other inherited values. It seems like western society is now a consumer driven free for all becoming more open and less based on past structures in the pursuit of profit (I'm not saying this is a bad thing, but it has come with unforeseen consequences). All the practices of abstinence etc. became a thing of the past and masturbation that was once seen as a taboo is now absolutely fine. The internet brought a new market for pornography and has expanded to the point it is now free! It is the most searched for thing on the internet... Given the terrible state of sex education and access to pornography, people at a younger age are exploring themselves sexually before they know what they could be getting themselves into through no fault of their own. The result is a large amount of people feeling sexually inferior and potentially confused whereas sexuality should be something that is embraced and explored from within, not consumed and regimented from the outside. People are saying it is healthy as it possibly is in moderation - but it has lead to unforeseen consequences such as PIED and addiction... This movement is great as it helps to reboot and see sex potentially like never before...
     
  8. DireWolf

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    Wrong, there has never been benefit and never will be in fantasizing with drug addicted prostitutes on a screen, wrong on everything
     
  9. Eric'sBlue

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    Right. Perhaps I should have said Zionist, or Rothschild Zionist control - which is definitely far more accurate and on point. Thank you for correcting me as I wasn't intending racism but merely using 'Jew' in the broadest sense to describe Israelis and then the Jewish influence at home here in the US. However, there's nothing inherently false about my statement, as it is truth and therefor can be discussed as such, this is even openly admitted by Joel Stein, and many of the advocates in these fields. Is the truth of reality off limits? Is it anti Semitic? What does that say about that term...? That doesn't seem right to me. I agree, there are a great many wonderful Jewish people who shouldn't be blamed for the evil and despicable actions of a few 'elite' people.
     
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  10. Eric'sBlue

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    Voltaire: "To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize."

    No truer words were ever spoken.


    In regard to freedomflight's comment.
     
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  11. Mister_Chamomile

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    Building empires requires invading other cultures, enslaving them and all that. I'd rather live in a world where we dont do that to each other. Masturbation has nothing to do with this.
     
  12. Mister_Chamomile

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    They're not lying. Its unhealthy for those of us who have deeper attachment issues. Masterbation is fine, just not for us. Like wine is healthy, just not for alcoholics.
     
  13. ds112358

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    Well, I think masturbation for a person who isn't addicted to porn (and probably doesn't use porn very much) and has a healthy sex life, isn't much of a problem. Like they say, it probably just keeps the sexual tension away. These people also don't overdo it like we do. I don't know about you but the only time I find it impossible to go just 2-4 times a week. The addiction would take over and I would binge. So basically, this applies only to people who don't have a problem with PMO.
     
  14. AccreditedZebra

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    THE FU*K is a "sexologist?" Makes me mad when people like that say it's natural and healthy. Ummmm... why do you think we have things such as "wet-dreams?" When I don't M for a while, I usually have an emission of semen when I take a piss. That's your own body "cleaning your pipes." Your body can take care of itself if you let it...

    However, I have always wondered if M can prevent prostate problems.... does anyone know? Even if it does, I still think maybe you should just go see a doctor for a check up if something feels wrong down there.
     
  15. DireWolf

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    Steady brother, we know the enemy, its not only you that has realized this, we are thousands if not millions, we know, for now we wait, the enemy is there and we know, steady.
     
  16. Immor

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    You/the scientists/the journalists can theorize about it as much as they want. The only facts they are working with is that people who masturbate frequently at an age over 40 get less prostate cancer. People who masturbate frequently at younger age actually seem to have an increased risk of prostate cancer. [http://www.livescience.com/7658-masturbation-increase-risk-prostate-cancer.html]
    That doesn't justify the conclusions they are jumping to in my opinion.
    My theory is still, that years before cancer breaks out, the prostate function is reduced and thus the urge and ability to masturbate is reduced.

    Not a small minority though by my estimate.
     
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  17. Knight Solaire

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    Being paranoid keeps us aware, not scared
     
  18. Immor

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    It may be harmless, but I highly doubt it is healthy.

    In the way that it is addictive and causes sickness (tooth decay)?
    Isolated tribes, still living like we used to and have evolved for, do not have a clue what masturbation is and even if shown don't take up the habit.

    See my previous post for prostate cancer.
     
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  19. Strugglesaurus

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    As has been reiterated many times all throughout the forum...

    The thing is, we are PMO addicts. It has been shown time and time again in the accounts of others on this forum that we cannot do moderation. How successful have you been even now in trying to cut down on masturbation? If you think, after you reboot, that you can go back to moderate use of masturbation (perhaps once a month to every two weeks), you're kidding yourself. It is more likely that you will gradually devolve into:

    normal MO-->MO with fantasies of real people-->MO with porn fantasy-->MO with porn substitutes-->MO with full-blown porn

    You may not even experience the first step. It is a cycle, you'll always end up back at square one if you give yourself any sort of leeway.

    There is quite a bit of misinformation being perpetuated in this thread and others. If there is any credence to this 'prostate cancer' nonsense, it is within ejaculation itself and can be attained through forming meaningful relationships and having meaningful sex. There isn't anything special in your hand that prevents prostate cancer. I find that many people use this reason to justify their masturbatory habits. I doubt any one of you are very concerned with prostate cancer. If you are, maybe you should also be worrying about your reboot and the negative consequences masturbation and pornography have unloaded onto your life and mental wellbeing.

    This was not a personal attack on you writer239, just a general response to the idea that masturbation is good for you.
     
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  20. DireWolf

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    And angry, it does it for me, its a consistent mix of awareness, realization and anger
     

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