Why do people of noFap considering masturbation as a toxic?

Discussion in 'Abstinence, Retention, and Sexual Transmutation' started by Zillion, May 1, 2019.

  1. Zillion

    Zillion Fapstronaut

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    Yes I know porn is not good for your brain it makes you feel dumb, demotivated, also encourages you to build a bad opinion among girls (objectification of females).

    but what if not masturbated over ugly and gross stuff?, what if I am having decent masturbation on my private space?.

    Of course, you will lose sexual energy if you tend to masturbate quite often.
    What about masturbating once or twice a week?

    Tell me guys, do you seriously on NoFap to obtain a healthy lifestyle or considering sex/masturbation as a sin?, I`m so confused.
     
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  2. Technically, NoFap is not an anti-masturbation site.

    But... I have a weird feeling this thread might blow up with people who both agree and disagree with you. Maybe not though.
     
  3. saurabgangul

    saurabgangul Fapstronaut

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    Well nofap is a part of self improvement for me.
     
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  4. drac16

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    I don't necessarily view masturbation as a sin, but I feel that there are better things to occupy your time. Times when we're struggling with lust are better spent in prayer and fasting -- not playing with ourselves in the shower.
     
  5. Dr. Mario

    Dr. Mario Fapstronaut

    The religious types see it as a sin, while the secular types see it as a chance to build self control. I'll honestly be surprised if anyone shows up saying "masturbation is totally bad". Everyone here agrees that porn is no good, though.
     
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  6. Reborn_

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    Here is my opinion on masturbation.
    From worst to best:
    Masturbating to porn
    Masturbating to fantasy
    Masturbating without lust
    Not masturbating
     
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  7. Zillion

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    Come on man, masturbation won`t take you hours to done with, It can be used as a reward if you have done something special or tough thing in your life!. Think about that :D
     
  8. drac16

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    There are better ways to reward yourself. Agree to disagree.
     
  9. Zillion

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    Then what about having sex?, will you consider even sex as non-productive?. if so, the human race could be almost diminished in next 100 years!
     
  10. drac16

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    There's a big difference between sexual desire and masturbation. Sexual desire channeled into a marriage is honourable. I would encourage it. On the other hand, masturbation never leads to fulfillment; it only satisfies temporarily, and soon enough you will want more. It's not a good cycle to follow.
     
  11. Zillion

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    So are you doubt on your ability of self-control?, masturbation is not something that you adapted from others.. It has been innate through genes, even babies have tendencies for masturbation. Do you as think they are masturbating due to compulsive impulse or for sake of porn?
     
  12. drac16

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    Yeah, but a baby doesn't know what it's doing when he/she is touching himself/herself. I don't have a son or daughter, but if I did, I would teach them that masturbation should be avoided (most of the time). As I said before, I don't believe that masturbation is a sin, but I do think that our genitals were given to us as a means to have sexual union with our spouse. The only sexual outlet that the Bible allows is within marriage.

    If masturbation is what God had intended, surely He would have said so.
     
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  13. Bale

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    Natural impulses are one thing. But humans are more than what's in their genes. We are beings of culture and civilization, of philosophy, morality, and spirituality. And for what I know, masturbation has been disregarded by all these "institutions" for centuries, not necessarily as a mere moral judgement, but also as a key to personal growth and a functional society.
    Take a look at western society today, how many people are narrow-minded, short-tempered, jerk their life away... Total individualism and cultural deconstruction may encourage us to think that masturbation is good for us, but there is no healthy cultural paradigm that supports this.
     
  14. Bigftninja

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    I am religious and I believe as a general rule that masturbation completely by itself is not necessarily a sin in a similar way a wet dream isn't problematic. Here is where masturbation get troublesome in christianity for me is the verse:

    But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
    Matthew 5:28

    I know I cannot just masturbate without thinking of someone or something that I find sexually stimulating therefore I aim to remove masturbation from my life so I don't commit adultery in my heart and so I don't get a chaser effect because I have a unhealthy mental connection with porn and masturbation. The question one must ask themselves at NoFap when considering masturbation is "Can I do it without a chaser effect and without pornographic stimulation." Anything beyond that is truly the choice of the Fapstronaut. I personally attempt to go beyond that and many people secular and religious go beyond that if not for the sake of their personal connection with their pornographic addiction and masturabation that they have yet to separate. Consider these things when understanding the masturbation debate at NoFap.
     
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  15. Zillion

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    well, masturbation is just like a knife, it can be used for two purposes to kill, disfigure a human or just as a tool to cut down trees, making crafts, eating an apple e.t.c..

    There`s no wrong in masturbation, the fundamental mistake lies just with our perception, a long back I too was against masturbation. But now i came to the point of realization where nothing is labelled either right or wrong.

    It`s all upto once context and perception. So how about modern times yogis, saints like Sadhguru?

    are they not married?, are they not having sex?, do they feel Samsari life as an obstacle for the gateway of spirituality?

    spiritual gurus never ever encouraged not having neither sex nor masturbation..

    Yes I`m favor to the one of the point you mentioned, total individualism and deconstruction of society people not able to recognize their purpose of life..

    Do you consider only masturbation leads ones to sick mentality?, what about severe obsession over mobile phone, body shaming, social awkwardness, comparing onself with celebrities and models on Instagram??, junkfoods, cast system, racism?.

    culture is nothing but its also one of the perceptual bubble made out of group of men. don`t you think culture doesn`t have dark side?

    In the name of Jesus, religion they didn`t let many scientists, philosophers to express their thought and opinion.

    Killed many popular figures of histories in the name of culture, God Dogma blah blah blah like Socrates.

    Well even science, philosophy, culture everything has its own caviar and bugs. what`s wrong in updating ourselves for time being?

    Okay please answer for this question, this question entirely changed my viewpoint toward masturbation!!.

    I`ll ask the same question to you, don`t just reply just for sake of an argument, contemplate and answer it!

    Hypothetically speaking, you`re not seen any sexually stimulating content like porn, romantic novels, movies with sexual and romantic scenes. You not even talked with girls for over 20 years of time.

    then, one fine morning you`re coming out of the cave to meet the current civilizations. you`re you`re happened to see girls in attractive and sexy outfits.

    Answer me without biased opinion, just be frank, dont your mind wander over sexual events that you have met in the past (before 20 years)??.. dont you get sexual triggers?, will you completely lose intention and orientation of having sex?.
     
  16. Dr. Mario

    Dr. Mario Fapstronaut

    Aaand this is where you're gonna lose at least half of this forum's userbase.
     
  17. Why you want to reward yourself with a loss of your lifeforce? :D
     
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  18. ShyIIock

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    ehhh M is not bad as itself, but years of masturbating with porn creates harmfull pathways in your brain. Main point of NoFap is to recover your brain, weaken those harmfull pathways and set new healthy one. If you M during your reboot youre slowing the recovery process because youre stimulating these bad pathways.
    Its really wierd to me that noone points this thing out, this is what NoFap recovery is about...
     
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  19. Bigftninja

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    That was what I was trying to point out. Since Porn and masturbation are linked with each other in an unhealthy way for most people here it is very risky and dangerious during the reboot process even if Masturbation isn't necessarily wrong.
     
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  20. Magic Mikee

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    I feel if your actually capable of masturbating fully in the present moment without fantasizing or of course watching porn than its probably fine. That is a hard thing to do. All the more props to you if you can successfully do that.
     
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