Why do humans enjoy being serfs?

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  1. Brokenman123

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    I still think the Judeo-Christian God might exist but even then why do humans keep enslaving themselves and coming up with all these gods who only exist in their imagination? Why do they keep themselves in bondage worshipping all these gods who almost certainly don't exist? It's amazing how much humans enjoy being slaves. SMH.
     
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  2. I think it's because we are looking for a leader. If you look at apes, and many other species out there such as wolves, you can see that there hierarchy. And at the very top there is so called alpha. I think we are also biologically wired that way. So maybe it's just our subconscious acting out.
     
  3. Moon Shot

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    Are you talking about all religions, then?
     
  4. Roady

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    I know the Christian God exists.
    Blind people will bow for idols, and become slaves of them.
    God doesn't want to have slaves. He don't need slaves.
    His love and power change people from being enslaved to servants.
    As Jesus shows that He was and is a servant Himself.

    So as long as people don't admit the real existing God, they will be blinded and -so- enslaved.

    And yes, people who doesn't know the love of God, will act out religion.
    Religion has nothing to do with God HImself. It's made by human as a replacement for the relationship God wants to have with His creatures.
     
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  6. Roady

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    I mean:
    When my eyes went open for who God really is, I saw that there is something like spiritual blindness.
    Until that time, I worship several idols (false god images) and I didn't even know that.
    I had a religion (because of worshiping that idols) but that had nothing to do with who God is.
    My experience and opinion is that only God can free us from worshiping false gods and all kind of religion stuff.
     
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  7. Moon Shot

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    Thanks for the clarification. I admire your devotion. Keep on at it in this expedition to a better life, and honour, glory and rewards will be yours.

    Cheers.
     
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  8. izdwuut

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    For me it was quite the opposite - I started to feel liberated as I started to align with my Higher Self. I started to experience changes in perspective that had tremendous impact on me. A Course In Miracles - a framework that I currently go through - states that they are in fact miracles, and lately I experience them in abundance. As beliefs that don't serve me anymore have started to dissipate, I finally began to feel at ease. I feel curbed by belief that I'm limited to a body, thus I consider my ego-self to be just an interface. A convenient one, I'd say. In the same manner I wouldn't say that a keyboard or screen equals to PC.
    I like how you put this in words. I admire your thoughtfulness.
     
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  9. Brokenman123

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    Yeah.
     
  10. Brokenman123

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    According to a quick Google search, the term religion means: the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods
    Or a particular system of faith and worship
    Or a pursuit or interest followed with great devotion
    I don't know if you would agree with those definitions but that's what a religion is but anyway the Bible talks about being a slave to Christ in Ephesians 6:6 and 1 Peter 2:16 talk about being slaves to Christ... now I know you're gonna say that other passages talk about being a servant to Christ but at the same time it's either be a servant to God or go to hell, those are the only two choices according to your worldview, which is using the stick of punishment and dangling it in front of everyone so that people will rationally choose to become a servant even if it's out of fear and not of love and also you say that God isn't interested in slaves yet He wants absolute and total control over your life and He wants you to do whatever He asks and if you don't you get punished in the same way an owner might want total control over their slave's life and would punish a slave if anything isn't done properly. And also I think it's a little arrogant to assert that you know that the Judeo-Christian God exists. Why are Christians so forceful and arrogant in their beliefs when they most likely have limited knowledge like everyone else and thus we as humans might not be able to absolutely know things?
     
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  11. Roady

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    I prefer the word "relation" in stead of religion. The word "relation" fits much better how I experience the things between God and myself.

    Oke, I see you just filling in how I see and experience my faith. I guess you are projecting your own point of view on me, and others. That's not a good starting point for an uplifting conversation for me.
    And I recognize your attitude from other topics. I don't think we need to repeat all kind of stuff here.

    I know one thing: God doesn't need to control people. Like a healthy father doesn't need to control his children but he cares about them and there welbeing. And watching the life of Jesus, I never saw Jesus controlling others. He was teaching, helping, serving, freeing, praying, curing etc. Has nothing to do with controlling.

    His love is the only thing that freed me from my bondage, fear and enslavement. My use of porn included.
     
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  12. Castielle

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    Amen! Lots of well said stuff here, Roady. For me, being in a relationship with God is not enslaving in the slightest. On the contrary, it is so freeing. We are all slaves to something, most of us many things. Guilt, shame, depression, anxiety, lack of self control, anger, jealousy, envy, greed, etc. Jesus breaks those chains. That's freedom, not captivity.
     
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  13. Brokenman123

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    Yet God imposed His free will on Pharaoh in the Bible in Exodus 9:12. And I'm sorry but according to a biblical worldview, you're either a slave or servant to Christ or you'll go to hell, am I wrong? Also, doesn't God want total control over your life? And there are many instances in the Bible where God punished people severely who didn't do what they say, so I really don't know how I'm projecting since all of those are in the Bible and you profess a biblical worldview. And also the Bible talks about God hardening hearts and softening hearts and even though you say God doesn't want to control His servants, He does want to be in total control of their life, just look at what Jesus said in Matthew 10:37 and : ""Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me."
     
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    Are you totally free from porn today?
     
  15. Roady

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    I wonder why you keep on arguing if you know it better.
    Stop wasting my and others time and put your effort in finding God in stead of talking about Him.

    Yes I am free of porn today.
     
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    I just want to know if I'm wrong. Aren't the things that I listed above part of the biblical worldview? Simple answer: yes or no. If no, tell where I'm wrong, it's as simple as that. Why do Christians keep running from debates? When I talk to some Christians, it's really unfortunate when they want to shut down the conversation after they're beliefs are challenged. SMH.
     
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    oops wrong language hahaha sorry
     
  18. Brokenman123

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    But then, afterwards, according to the Bible, you'll have to become a slave to Christ? So then you move from one instance of serfdom to another, right? Since Jesus basically takes your afflictions but then in return you'll owe Him and have to become an eternal slave to him?
     
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    I don't know what the heck this means. What is this Dutch?
     
  20. flor3334

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    hahaha, I was explaining to you @BrokenMan, the meaning of exodus 9:12, but in my enthusiasm I wrote in my own language, Dutch. Ok, read and study exodus 8:15 and 8:32 and then Romans 1:28. If you can't figure it out I am happy to give more explanation
     

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