why are so many hardcore christians in this forum?

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  1. Steve1453

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    Yes, indeed it does, and thanks for taking the time to reply to me so eloquently. It is indicative of the level of some of the debate here that one believer (and I mention this with all due respect to him) asks us to accept that faith is arrived at by the application of reason and logic. What do you make of that proposition ? For the record, I am an atheist.
     
  2. SuperFan

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    Brilliant books have been written to address this question. I'm not arrogant enough to think I can answer it in a comment on NoFap. In a previous post in this thread, I listed a number of great books that will challenge your concept of 'faith' as an illogical exercise. If you did nothing but read "Mere Christianity" by CS Lewis and "Reason For God" by Timothy Keller, you'd have your answers. You could also checkout the podcast "Let My People Think" by this amazing guy:





    But in a nutshell, whenever science attempts to answer the questions of origin, meaning, moral standards, and destiny, it fails to do so with any real adequacy. The Christian worldview has profound and compelling answers to those questions. You can certainly choose not to believe them, but you will no longer be able to say that Christians are illogical or unreasonable in their belief.
     
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  3. Agoodguy

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    This is a false statement. You can question things that happened in the Bible. You won't get struck down with lightning if you don't. I can ask and have asked questions about the Bible without censorship or fear of censorship.
     
  4. SuperFan

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    Faith is nothing more than belief. Where you've gone wrong @samnf1990, is that apparently you think faith means "belief without evidence."

    And as far as religions 'requiring' their followers to be selectively ignorant or never to ask questions ... I'm not sure what religions you're talking about, but Christianity certainly isn't one of them.
     
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    Hi .... I've replied to your message, but it looks as though it's been placed just above the last paragraph of your text. I don't really know what I'm doing, because I'm new to all this.
     
  8. SuperFan

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    I saw it ... no worries, and thanks for your comment!

    To avoid that in the future, just pay attention to the [/QUOTE] tag when you quote people ... that signifies the end of the quote. If you type any content before that marker, it'll show up as part of what you're quoting.
     
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    Christian philosophy indeed defines an important set of moral standards but as an atheist (or more correctly an Objectivist in terms of philosophy) it is based on a false premise. False to me at least as I have no way to know any of it is true.

    Even without Christianity, my morality, the morality of reason, is contained in a single axiom: existence exists to live. The rest proceeds from these. To live, man must hold three things as the supreme and ruling values of his life: Reason, Purpose and Self-esteem.

    Reason, as his only tool of knowledge.
    Purpose, as his choice of the happiness which that tool must proceed to achieve.
    Self-esteem, as his inviolate certainty that his mind is competent to think and his person is worthy of happiness, which means: is worthy of living.

    These three values imply and require all of man’s virtues, and all his virtues pertain to the relation of existence and consciousness: rationality, independence, integrity, honesty, justice, productiveness, pride.

    I appreciate that people find moral solace in Christianity but for me it has nothing to do with my moral standard of ethics other than overlap in many areas.
     
  10. SuperFan

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    That's a very interesting binary you've created. If you don't know that something is true, it is therefore false for you. Seems like an awfully narrow way to go about life. It's as if you're taking one of the most basic fallacies of logic (if A, then B ... so if not A, then not B) and applying it to everything you see.

    Simply because you don't recognize a truth doesn't mean it isn't a truth. Or do you assume to know everything?

    And what of those occasions when your existence would be bolstered by hindering another? If morality is contained in "existence exists to live," then there's no moral issue when I steal my neighbor's food because I am hungry.

    I find moral solace in Christianity, sure ... but that's the bare minimum of what I find. I find salvation. I find freedom from eternal spiritual death. By comparison, moral solace is nothing.

    The problem with objectivism is that it's selfish by definition. "Rational self-interest" is the primary aim. True objectivists don't give to charity because giving to charity is good--they give to charity because it serves their purposes. For Ayn Rand, selfishness was a virtue. I would violently disagree.
     
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    I'm not ValueLiberty ! You've sent it to the wrong person ! This site is about porn and fapping, NOT theology.
     
  14. SuperFan

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    @Steve1453, you're just quoting and then not adding anything. If you want to quote an entire comment, then just hit "reply" and add your text at the end ... but if you want to quote specific parts of someone's comment, then highlight the text and hit "+quote" in the pop-up selector. Do that with each quote you want to include in your reply, and then when you go down into your comment window, you'll see where it says "Insert Quotes ..." Click that, and off you go.
     
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    You need to learn to use the commands in these forums, @Steve1453. I was responding to @ValueLiberty in the comment you've now quoted twice--not to you.
     
  16. SuperFan

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    The OP of this thread specifically asked about Christianity. Therefore theology is on the table. If you don't want to discuss it, then don't comment in these threads. There are hundreds of threads about porn and fapping that you can contribute to instead.
     
  17. I find the OP's question a bit surprising. This is a forum about sexual purity, something Christians strive to achieve. I don't have any statistics for this, but I'd imagine there are many more Christians than atheists who care about the state of their purity.
     
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    You seem to have your own 'faith' about what it means to be religious - 'selectively ignorant, and never questioning' what it means to be religious.

    Seems to me you have made of Reason a religion. And then your own 'religion' itself reflects the narrowness you project onto real religion.:)
     
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    Truth is my guide yes. With our brain and senses, Reason & truth become our only guides in life. Evasion of the truth equals death.

    No because I swear by my life, and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine. I would be violating his individual rights by taking his food. That is immoral and very short sighted, after all the robber who disregards individual rights deserves none himself.

    I stand here proudly embracing the charge that I am selfish. When it comes to me, my family and the ones I value around me I am whole-heartedley 100% selfish and I would do anything to protect those things that I value.

    Now at the end of the day I really really hope and indeed pray that somehow the Capitalists, Objectivists and Christians can join to together and defeat the nihilists who have ZERO morals and are seeking to destroy the West. On that I hope we can agree....

    I have more moral respect for Christians than I have for 99% of the atheists I meet....
     
  20. Breaking Alive

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    If you are selfish, then why would you care about someone's rights? Caring about someone is a completely selfless thing, because if you truly care, you look out for their interests ahead of yours. Additionally, where would this person's rights come from, and why would they be taken away? What's the basis of that morality?
     

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