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Voyeurism is considered paraphilia (sexual perversion ) but pornography is "normal and healthy"

Discussion in 'Porn Addiction' started by ultrafabber, Oct 16, 2018.

  1. ultrafabber

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    Just had this thought recently and found it very funny yet very concerning.

    Voyeurism is considered abnormal and a sexual perversion (rightfully so), yet somehow watching porn, which is basically the same thing, is "normal and healthy behavior"
     
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  2. Porn Free Wanderer

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    Things are only considered "perversions" or "normal" because people give them those labels. There are plenty of people on Dating or Hook up websites who consider voyeurism to be perfectly normal. There are even sites where people advertise where they're going to be having sex just so people can come and watch them.

    The real question is what label do you give these things? Do you consider porn to be "normal and healthy?" Or do you feel shame after watching it?
     
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  3. ultrafabber

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    No, the real question is if these things are normal or healthy, and the answer is they are not. This is not subjective.

    "Normal" just lost any meaning after the "Sexual Revolution" in the US, the "revolution" that was based on biased results Kinsey pushed forward (who was a deviant himself).
     
  4. Porn Free Wanderer

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    Well, actually, it IS subjective as long as people have differing opinions on it.

    For example, you talk about the guy who pushed the "Sexual Revolution" as a deviant, but the sexual revolution was based on having sexual contact with real people. Is that somehow more deviant than the porn "revolution" (which didn't really start until the advent of VHS tapes in the 80s, and only became mainstream with the advent of the Internet in the 90s) that you describe in the OP as "normal and healthy"?

    And really, if the answer is "not subjective" as you state, why worry about what other people think of it? It really only comes back to how you perceive it. If you find porn, voyeurism and casual sex to be deviant behaviours, don't participate in them.
     
  5. ultrafabber

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    First of all, we're kind of drifting away from the point. No matter if you think voyeurism is ok or not, the paradox still exists: Voyeurism is considered paraphilia and watching pornography is not.

    As for your point, you should read up on Kinsey, that's where Sexual Revolution started - with a sexual deviant disguised as scientist using a horribly biased sample to draw conclusions on normative behavior. Deviant behavior started with the alleged normalcy of sexual promiscuity, voyeurism and masturbation Kinsey found in his biased sample. This in turn lead to skewed perceptions of what normal is, Playboy then Hustler started and so on.

    Mainstream porn is the "highest achievement" of his "work".. so far.
    This really doesn't make sense. Why would you care or discuss about anything then? I will most certainly not participate in them and since i know they're abnormal, i'm showing others the lies they've been sold. Why would you reply to my post if you perceive it as normal or healthy?

    Again, it's not a question of perception, truth is singular. I'm either right or I am wrong. Same way a person thinking the contrary is either right or wrong. We can't be both simultaneously right or wrong.
     
  6. Meditation Monk

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    if you read the holy book of the bible, it is considered that way, and what they do is their personal business, not ours. But anyway, everyone has a different label for pornography these days.
     
  7. HereAndThere

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    Meh, its because voyeurism can directly threten individual privacy, and porn is a problem that always happen to someone else so they dont give a fuck.
     
  8. many things previously considered perversions have been 'normalised'. This is a consequence of the so-called 'sexual revolution'. Poster above is right about Kinsey, he had a big part in it. But Freud did also, and the whole drift of modern culture is towards unrestrained hedonism. See through it.
     
  9. ultrafabber

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    While I am a Christian, i try to separate religion from science. The thing is though that Voyeurism, aside from Biblical interdiction, makes no sense and has no functional benefit. It's just bypassing a biological mechanism clearly intended for actual sex, not observing sex and cheating your reward system, which is similar to any maladaptive behavior and/or addiction.
     
  10. ultrafabber

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    Well that's point of OP in a sense, pornography is not normal even tough it's referred to as such. And as I said, it's interesting to see the paradox a person claiming "pornography is normal" creates when faced with the dilemma of voyeurism.
     
  11. Mattew

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    I quite agree with you.
     
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