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Thoughts about relapsing...

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by Deleted Account, Sep 30, 2018.

  1. TLDR
    Dating is like a game where nobody wins. And it feels like it does not matter if you PMO or not because relationships these days feel meaningless. Marriages fail, husbands PMO. Even celebrities can’t stay together. People complain about being single but they have become so spoiled with all these matches they don’t take it seriously. Because they know they can always find someone to talk to. They can effectively just swipe the world away.

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    So I have a pretty good streak going here. It won’t be long before I’m well over 90 days! Unfortunately I’m starting to get disillusioned with dating... And it’s not because I’m struggling to meet girls in fact it’s the complete opposite! So I use online dating a lot it’s my primary way for getting dates. I’m picking up phone numbers so easily, far too easy. Over 20 girls to talk to and 4 dates so far. So you are probably wondering why I would want to go back to PMO? Well as amazing as online dating is I think it’s ruined dating in general. And this includes doing approaches it’s all the same. Those girls you approach they have online dating profiles or they have tried it before. My problem is nobody takes it seriously anymore I’m not kidding. Relationships are like a game. After years of trying to get a girlfriend it feels like such things are fantasy now. All of the girls I’m talking to are single. They have been single for so long they don’t even know what a relationship is anymore. It’s the same old stories. Career focused, lots of bad dates not ready to meet people. Always travelling, always working, single mothers. No time to meet no time to date. So many guys to talk to indecisive. Put it off for a few months. Same old shit different day.

    My last date said she thought we had no chemistry. I was her fourth hinge date. She ghosted us all... Clearly a serial dater... The one before that, it felt like she friend zoned me before we got to know each other. Dinner date, meet her friends, go to a bar meet another friend. And then joking that one of them is single. And then acting like we all friends making it hard to be romantic. She already friend zoned her last date and did not tell him? Seriously? Does nobody care about dating anymore? And one of her friends (they were all girls) was supposed to have a date coming. He didn’t show. And she was weird the whole night asking me if she looked normal? Honestly it’s like the world has become undateble. Is it even possible to have boyfriend girlfriend relationship that work? The girl I met before that was just angry at every guy. Because her last dates lied to her. Secret family and girlfriend.

    My first date this year she was just so busy and conversation died. It’s always the same so predictable relationships don’t happen. Also talking to another girl she was married now single. Met dozens of guys gave up on dating for a while. Disabled her dating profile. We still talk of course and joke about the state of dating.

    Everywhere you look it’s the same! I have no doubt I can get more dates but if it’s just going to be the same bullshit over again what’s the point? Maybe we were born in the wrong century I’ve become very sceptical. My mum keeps complaining that I should be married with kids. I’m putting myself out there nothing happens. I see the same girls on dating apps year after year. They are always single everyone is single. We have created a society of spoiled babies who don’t know what they want anymore...

    So now I’m thinking about relapsing. Because I crave sex and this dating game is bias. We have bad cards it’s just a joke now. Sure it’s fun having all these chat buddies. Oh look at me I have so many girls to talk to. They send voice messages and pictures. So many online friends....

    What to do? Anyone see this differently? Better respond quick it might not be long before I relapse...
     
  2. do pmo for yourself, u never know how your life might change and maybe the way u think. Maybe dating is not for u at the moment, try something different because relapsing is not worth it, is only going to make u feel worse.
     
  3. I haven’t relapsed almost did though... Still might I don’t know... This year is just so crazy. But at least I’m not unemployed anymore started a job on Monday! So one incentive to not PMO, staying up late would make me late for work. I would perform badly...

    The dating is weird... I keep meeting time wasters and weirdos. Have one girl who sends me naughty pictures. But is also very negative and accuses me of being negative? And is obsessed with spiders which I don’t like either. And she keeps going on about them and sending me pictures of them. And saying her room has too many. This is not romantic at all, it’s gross and a turn off. And she does not get it. She makes her room sound uninviting...
     
  4. I'm glad to hear u did not relapse, keep up the good work. Congrats on your new job! U will find the right girl eventually, take your time if u have too, why rush into anything.
     
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  5. HereAndThere

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    Congrats on the streak, that is not a small thing. Well, nofap was never meant to fix world problems, sometimes it doesnt even fix personal problems. Talking about this state of dating, online dating didnt change people, it just gave the option to people to act lazy and selfish and people took it. If you took away this option of superficial dating people would act more serious because they would have to, not because they want to. I dont think its the answer to force people to do some things. Things would turn out same, they would just show how they are later when you would probably be stuck in a fake relationship. I dont know the answer, i just stopped trying. Eh, i presume if you keep it long enough, you would get used to amount of effort required and it would be easier. Keep rolling the dice if you dont wanna waste that momentum.
     
  6. Uncomfortably Numb

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    Very interesting post this as I am contemplating on-line dating. The reason being I have been single during my NoFap attempt but 76 days in my urges are stronger than ever. I would rather have sex with a real person than go back to PMO.
     
  7. Reborn16

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    So, there's lots of guys who are addicted to porn now days.. And there's lots of girls who are addicted to social media.. You're well on your way to sorting your life out, it's just that the chances of meeting a girl online that's got her life mostly in order as well, is kind of low.

    I know it seems like everyone is online, but perhaps broadening your search in the real world would do you good.

    Speed dating seems to attract women who have given up on wasting time online, likewise local events or classes can be good to randomly meet others.

    On one hand I get where you're coming from, and it is frustrating, and yes lots of women are time wasters or just want us to rock up and buy them a meal then that's it. On the other hand, I think deep down you know there's people out there who appreciate good company, and haven't had dozens of romantic partners.

    There's a quote from 'the art of not giving a fuck', something like "if you want a fun healthy relationship, you've got to be prepared to weather rejections, bad sex, no sex, time wasters and more" and "measure your goals by what you're willing to put up with."

    Basic 101 stuff, but if we hit the reset with PMO, then our chances of finding a good relationship are zero right?
     
  8. Reborn16

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    Also, you mentioned friends and frienzone a bit. There should be a cock/funny sexual undertone from the first time you talk (even if that's online).

    I'm no guru at all. But this is an area everyone can improve on. I plan to hit the red pill dating books when study stops, I know I have a lot to learn...

    "what women want when they test men" is a good starter that goes into this a bit.
     
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  9. HereAndThere

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    Fucking tests. I understand there is alot of sense behind it and its not always that women consciously test men, but it destroys possibility of honest,open relationship, at least in my eyes. Thats why i stopped following that material, it was making my trust issues even worse.
     
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  10. Reborn16

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    I think we have to see it as the evolutionary testing material it is. It's like a different language... There's another book that's free online, 'the manipulated man', a red pill from a woman several decades ago... Anyway, in it there's a mock-up translation guide for what women say VS what women mean. I think that begins to scratch the surface of how we need to think, not what they say in English, but what they are signaling.

    One thing that's apparent, is although a test may seem offensive (if a guy said the same thing it would be confrontational), we need to see it as an opportunity. That is, girls only test us if they're interested as more than friends. The only exception is the type of girl that is overly social/playful with everyone, but that's a rarity.

    TLDR, What women say is usually not literal when it comes to romance. If they test/try to make fun of us, 9/10 they're testing to see if we're mentally resilient and strong, which if we are, will lead to more testing. Also, we can test them back!!
     
  11. HereAndThere

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    Lol, next time a woman sets up a situation where im forced to play a test ill say to her:"What do you want from me? English motherfuc***, do you speak it?" Someone once said that women think they are waving a flare in front of our face when signaling, when they actually just light a match behind their back. Thats can be a test too, how in tune are you with her.

    Yes, but tests dont stop in LTR. There is always that pressure to perform or GTFO. Which sometimes mean making our lives a constant hell just to see how we react. Well, that is life in general so...
     
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  12. Interesting observations about online dating. I always wonder how people end up dating through the websites. For me it always seems like nothing but fake profiles.
     
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  13. Mattew

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    I think that the main thing to succesful dating is...to be happy.

    A girl will ever be attracted to someone who is happy, becouse girls are never happy and they need to suck happyness out of others.

    For someone like me who is the contrary of happyness in a chronic way, it's quite hard...
     
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  14. Mattew

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    Btw

    Man do not relapse, if you want to relapse wait untill 180 days, 90 are not enough.
    Don't throw away these 90 days, get to 180 instead, with 90 your brain, mind and soul doesn't have enough time to settle, you need more. Get to 180, then decide.
     
  15. Reborn16

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    That's a good analogy about the flare & match haha.. The tests don't ever end no, but from what I understand they're greatest at the start of a relationship, then become occasional.

    But I dare you to test a woman back and see her shock (and probably see her light up with interest). But yeah I am half tempted to ignore their tests also lmao.
     
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  16. SandsOfTime

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    Thanks for the profound information on dating sites. Never marry a girl on dating sites. These are dating category girls who only do datings for years. We are the some number guy for them.
    Prostitutes, celebrities, social media girls etc. are not suitable for marriage. They all F*****. About Social media girls, may be now they found you as a partner tomorrow they can easily find another guy and leave you in trauma. We guys are ready to suicides also lol. Commom! Changing partner is on their finger tips. Just click it and get partner.(Most of the girls just do timepass on social media, consuming men's money)
    There are so many good girls also their, friendship with a girl who less involved with mobile. I think it's so hard to get that kind of girl haha. Any how, most importantly we have to concentrate on our job, and earn money, build a security so that no nobody can break you.
    These addictions only makes a hole to our wallet.
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    Never run behind girls , run behind money and then see the change that girls will be running for u
     
  17. Momentum... Not going to lie the struggle is real at the moment. I have never in all my life being under so much stress. My anxiety is just the worst its ever been im barely surviving as it is. Started a new job, which is good but faster than i expected. I was hoping to get anxiety meds before i started working... Now every day im anxious which makes it hard to connect with new people. This is making me depressed and the thoughts of relapsing are increasing... I was just recently talking to a new girl, from another dating app... We exchanged numbers... Yesterday she was honest with me and said she just came out of a long relationship and she's not ready to date. So we will keep each others numbers and she will talk again when she's ready... This happens a lot now, so i really do wonder if i can succeed with relationships. When it feels like everyone is broken in some way or form. From bad past relationships...

    Tried speed dating in the past mixed results. The last major event i went to some random guy was going around asking the girls what chocolate bar they were. Turned the whole event into a farce, and then every guy was just circling this one hot girl. Freaked her out she left with her friends and that night was just a waste :( That book is on my must read list.

    I guess i play it safe sometimes. But trying to be sexual funny does not always work in my experience. I tried that on a dating app called coffee meets bagel. And the girl thought i was coming on too strong. And then joked that guys who use Tinder become too sexual, because i said i have been talking to a lot of people on Tinder too. That killed the conversation she stopped talking...

    Lots of real people online you will know they are for real when they give you their phone number. It is so easy for me now getting phone numbers is childs play. Turning those numbers into dates and relationships. That is the hard part...

    I dont know how much longer i can hold out to be honest... Despite a phone book full of numbers im depressed and anxious and my health is not at all good right now. Getting sex through dating is very challenging for me at the moment. Relapsing is bad of course but like i said im in a bad place too so in a awful way it feels justified...
     
  18. Mattew

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    If that helps, i had the worst period between day 95 and 115, an believe me, that was hell. All kind of withdrawal symptoms, depression, suicidal thoughts, zero energy, pain everywhere.

    After day 115 it really got better.

    Don't throw, it makes no sense, go for the six months, you will never regret something like "i should have masturbated more and watched more porn".
     
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  19. My motivation to relapse is purely because of health problems. Ruining my life and making me think more of suicide. Its beyond anxiety now... If i can control it with improved health and meds then its not a problem. But if it stops me from living a normal life then.... Whats left to do....
     
  20. Mattew

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    Are those problems related to porn or are they about other issues in your life?

    Remember that strong suicide thoughts are parte of the withdrawal symptoms, i had a lot of them, they will pass.
     

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