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This can't possible be a three year flatline...

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by TheExibo, Oct 21, 2017.

  1. TheExibo

    TheExibo Fapstronaut

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    In Feb 2014 I found out about NoFap and started it. I would always go to streaks of about 2-3 weeks and have a wet dream, after which I would relapse. Why? Back then Id get an amazing "high" after 2-3 weeks but it'd be gone after a wet dream. I'd PMO since it was already gone.

    After 8 MONTHS of these amazing 2-3 week streaks feeling "high", just like many others starting off NoFap mention here, I decided to go for 90 days of NoFap. Went for 92 days. After the first few wet dreams I had the "high" or "superpowers" come back, but around 72 days, they wouldn't come back after wet dreams. They just faded. Out of panic, I relapsed at 92 days, and hoped the "powers" would come back 2-3 weeks later. I felt the exact same on day 21 as I would on day 1 of a NoFap streak.

    Those powers made me alive, as I'm sure many of you have also experienced the same when starting NoFap. They gave my life meaning and I finally felt what it was like to live; a feeling that I knew I was always missing. I'm 100% sure you guys know this feeling.

    I cannot get that feeling back anymore. I had it for 8 months when doing those 2-3 week streaks (minus the first few days after starting a streak), and so it's not a matter of "getting used to them". I've fucked out somewhere along the way, whether its got to do with my body, mind, or both.

    I'm at a point in life where I need those powers back. I've done everything and it's been 3 years since I lost them. There are dozens of posts I've found online of NoFappers experiencing the same.

    If you've experienced the same, message me and we'll talk. Please help a brother out, as well as the other members going through the same loss.

    TL;DR

    Those powers you get right when you start NoFap? They can be maintained if you relapse every 2-3 weeks I maintained them like that for 8 months Lost the ability to get them when I went on a 92 day streak (idk if its causal) Others having the same problem I'm going through some tough times, and I need those NoFap effects back. Lost them 3 years ago.
     
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  2. Live Free Or F@p Hard

    Live Free Or F@p Hard New Fapstronaut

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    It's all in your head. Nofap will help with your libido and low energy problems and some other things but not with these "super powers." Your giving yourself confidence when you withstain from something you crave that much. You don't need superpowers, you just need to take control of your urges. And don't let withdrawals scare you, accept them as being healthy and what your body needs at the moment.
     
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  3. TheExibo

    TheExibo Fapstronaut

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    I don't believe this is all in my head.

    I started off NoFap because I read on some bodybuilding forum that avoiding ejaculation may help with acne. After a few weeks of abstaining, I gained all these incredible effects, such as incredible motivation, energy, ability to sleep for much less, glowing eyes and skin, and amazing creativity and music. I found others having the same effects online from semen retention, and I found out about the NoFap forums.

    If this was all in my head, then how did I have those effects without expecting them or even knowing that they could result from semen retention?

    Secondly, I did not state that I have urges.

    Thirdly, if these are withdrawals, why do they not go away after I PMO again? Why do they suppress the effects/powers? What you said seems like some very pseudo-science speculation.
     
  4. Live Free Or F@p Hard

    Live Free Or F@p Hard New Fapstronaut

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    Well let's see. You've been pmo every 2-3 weeks to get a high for about 8 months. You stop doing this for 90 days and your wondering why you getting withdrawals. This forums are for those struggling with an addiction and "super powers" is really just a type word to get you in the right direction. If you want a more scientific answer go see a doctor or do some research on nuerotransmitters and dopamine.
     
  5. TheExibo

    TheExibo Fapstronaut

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    I've stopped the 2-3 week PMO thing for 90 days, which was 3 years ago. Since then I've been doing NoFap on and off, I've continued it for 80 more days in hopes that the effects would come back (they didn't), and even quit NoFap completely for almost 4 months during which I did heavy PMO everyday. If the loss of effects is a withdrawal that's been miraculously happening for over 3 years (even when going back to PMO), then how does one get rid of this withdrawal?

    I've seen two doctors, and they didn't help. I told them how semen retention causes these effects which make men seem more masculine and fertile based on people's experience with it, and they stated that there's no scientific research confirming it so they can't answer it.

    How is "superpowers" a type word to get people in the right direction? Are you saying that the claims of benefits similar to mini superpowers that NoFap confers are purposely misleading to get people to give up masturbation and/or porn?

    For the sake of myself and others experiencing the same, I need to find someone who knows (not just uses tacky NoFap cliches on dopamine or spirituality) how to get back those effects.

    Thank you for the response.
     
  6. Ocguy

    Ocguy Fapstronaut

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    Yea, I can relate. Been rebooting since 2012. Used to be able to go 23 to 60 days NoFap. And then get really nice libido , and mental "superpowers sort of"
    then fap daily for a week and then start over, because of a crash.
    As time went by I was able to control myself better and limit Orgasm to maybe 1 every few days. Then in 2014 I went on a massive brain supplement protocol and started fapping like crazy, after 2 months I crashed for like 8 months. It took so long to get out of the flatness, and emotional numbness. But I did and maintained a sorta stable frame of mind. No where near the person I was before. But I was coping, and still having consistent mild libido during the week and limited Orgasm schedule

    Anyway, in March this year I had my testosterone checked and it came back low, so I went on the pelletts.
    This jumpstarted my libido and started getting massive rock hard erections, very much like the ones I got when i didn't have issues. Again I fapped daily for about 40 days and now have completely
    Crashed. I haven't been getting morning wood like I used to after abstaining, and my whole body and mind, emotions, feels numb. It's been 7 months, maybe orgasmed 8 times in 7 months, and still no urges, no mw, nothing. I don't even feel depressed,
    I mean my rational mind is ready to commit suicide, just so this nightmare will end but as far as Feely feelings, nothing. I don't get mad, sad, happy, excited , motivated - nothing. It's very strange, and drugs don't change any of it, tried that just to see.
    So anyway, I can relate. Just hope that whatever damage occurred it will heal. Take care of your body the best u can

    From a medical standpoint it has something to do with inflammation, and a nervous system dysfunction, there is a reason our bodies are too weak to handle the jolt of an orgasm. Even though u may feel fine otherwise, it's a form of stress going on though. I've spent 300k in the past 5 years on medical tests treatments, brain scans, detox etc. Iv drips, mineral supplementation, gut protocols,the list goes on. With varying degrees of success, nothing has lasted. The best my libido ever did during this time though is when I went on an antibiotic for 30 days. So there might be a low level infectious component going on too. When the body is stressed it doesn't fight off infections very well, and becomes a viscous cycle

    Chinese medicine talks about this alot, draining your CHI with multiple orgasms and how it degrades the body/mind . I think there is some merit to this for some people
     
    Last edited: Oct 22, 2017
  7. nofepfepforlife

    nofepfepforlife Fapstronaut

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    You need to be completely PMO free for at least 6-9 months. No relapses, that's the only way.
     
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  8. TrevorLuciferus

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    Your body needs 150 days to renew all your cells. And even after the renew, ebcause you have been addicted for so long, those new cells will come contaminated . So, in order to have the "power" back you need to avoid porn, orgams and masturbation for minimum 150 days and maximum depends on how damaged your dna is.
     
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  9. BalancedLife

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    Your quest to attain everlasting "superpowers" is akin to wanting the initial "honeymoon" phase of a relationship to last forever. It's just not going to happen.

    You're behaving like the guy who gets addicted to opiate painkillers, never wanting the pain to stop because this way he can get his morphine fix.

    Another piece of information: total reboots take between 6 months and 2 years to complete. With 90 days you've only scraped the surface, but the core of your addiction is still untouched.
     
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  10. nofepfepforlife

    nofepfepforlife Fapstronaut

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    What you say intrigues me. How did you come up with such a specific number? And exactly can DNA be damaged? I'd love it if you elaborated on this more.
     
  11. TheLoneDanger

    TheLoneDanger Fapstronaut

    So “dopamine” is a tacky NoFap cliche but “super powers” isn’t? I don’t mean to sound callous, but it seems like you don’t want any advice if it contradicts your assumptions. Not only that, but you seem to be far more concerned about super powers than you do about kicking the addiction. I hope you can get out of your own head and do a clean reboot, focusing on what actually matters.
     
    Last edited: Oct 23, 2017
  12. TrevorLuciferus

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    For decades scientists believed you couldnt change your dna, but now, thanks to epigenetic, that basically is the science of how the environment can modify your DNA, and by modify i mean the gene express himself in different ways, we are understanding better how good habits can improve the quality of your cells and how bad habits can damage them. In regard to the 150 days number is an average calculation, because different cells need live more or less, but is based on the fact that eritrocits and hemoglobin, cells linked to our blood, live 120 and 150 days. To be honest, you need 7 years for a complete change!
     
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  13. Ocguy

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    Not trying to hijack this thread, but thanks for your advice
    The pellets wore off roughly june/July
    I've done proper pct with clomid /nolva and an ai. All my numbers are in line atm.
    T is about 850. Free t 15 %
    .e is around 20
    There is something else going on. Brain feels dead. This is nothing new, btw. This does feel like a new low though.
     
  14. nofepfepforlife

    nofepfepforlife Fapstronaut

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    Thanks for that interesting info. I knew DNA can be damaged and changed but how exactly does this tie in with porn addiction and down regulation of dopamine?
     
  15. phwrancesco

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    you did it to many times, this little game is over now. I think you should mind going for another a long streak, 90 days at least.
     
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  16. The problem I have with this is you're purposely looking and trying to regain these "superpowers", by doing so NoFap won't help you at all because essentially as @WatchMeRise said, you're acting like an addict. No matter how shit or terrible you feel in life, abstaining completely from PMO is the only way you'll get better.

    The flatlines and withdrawals are a good thing, you have to face the music so to speak if you actually want to get better, otherwise you're just masking porn with something else.
     
  17. Ocguy

    Ocguy Fapstronaut

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    Yea, mostly clomid. Only did nolva a few days cuz breast tissue was starting to sag. But decided to Step up the ai instead checked Estro blood. Took about 30 days to knock it down.
    I'm doing exactly as u suggest, little bit of clomid weekly, maybe 25 MG per week.
    Although did a T. Injection last week
    Subq. Supposedly same benefit actually keeps estrogen in check. Anecdotal evidence.
    Been starting to come out of flatline actually, only took 5 months 90 percent hard mode ,lol.
    Going all the way this time. Can't handle the zombie feeling, death would be better
     
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  18. TrevorLuciferus

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    It is actually pretty simple. Dopamine is a endorfine related to good feelings so everytim you masturbate you make your body produce it. If you masturbate too much your body will be forced to produce too much of it, and over time, looses its hability, becoming "tired".

    Thats a huuuuge problem because dopamine helps you on pretty much evrything. For example, people with parkinson disease tak mdicine too increase dopamin, because their uncontrolled movements is caused by lack of it.
     
  19. TheExibo

    TheExibo Fapstronaut

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    Some strong pseudo-science in this thread

    What's the evidence to your claim? You must not have read my post.

    This is why people don't take NoFap members seriously.

    You must not have considered reading my post either (at all); they lasted for more than 8 months until I went for 90 days of complete abstinence from PMO. How come they lasted back then? What is the proof of your claim that they won't come back?

    What assumptions? The "advice" given has no relevance to what I wrote about the issue that several NoFap members and I are experiencing. You think the guy saying that it takes 150 days for the body to renew its cells with DNA damaged from porn is giving "advice"?

    What exactly do you want me to call it if not "superpowers"? The NoFap experts here throw around the word "dopamine" to explain any question that they actually have no clue how to answer. What ends up happening is a malignant spread of BS and it is amplified with NoFap groupthink.

    Why do you assume I have an addiction? I never said I had one, and I never said I was trying to kick one.

    Masking porn with exactly what? The effects that are supposed to come from quitting porn? The benefits of "recovering from a PMO addiction"? Does that make sense to you?

    And what exactly is the problem with purposely trying to regain the benefits gained from semen retention?



    I don't give a **** about "reboots" or "addiction recovery". Many NoFap members and I have been doing NoFap (specifically semen retention (SR)) for its effects gained; the effects obtained from SR have *possibly* evolved to happen as men who do SR have signals of "fertility", in that they have glowing skin, incredibly vibrant eyes, motivation to socialize and flirt, motivation to workout, energy in general, and so on. During this "T-buzz", "surge", "superpowers", or whatever else these SR benefits are called, women are also much more highly attracted and flirtatious, similarly to how men are more attracted to women who are in the fertile phase of the ovarian cycle. Women in this phase also have glowing skin, motivation to socialize and flirt, and so on.

    Most people who start NoFap experience these effects at first. They are promised that if they keep going, the effects will amplify. Some relapse due to temptation so they experience these effects again when they start up. Some end up going for dozens of days and lose these effects; they are then told that they are going through a flatline and need to improve their lives other ways. So they start doing cold showers, eating healthy, and working out. They attribute the effects of these activities to NoFap and its members, but don't realize it is simply a correlation. They end up having their sex drives diminished chronically or completely dead ("use or it lose it"), and are told that it is normal as high sex drives and "energy surges" from SR are a result of addiction. Some guys realize this is BS (me and many others) but cannot do anything about it, while others continue to abstain with the delusion that somehow ejaculation can release amounts of "dopamine high enough to fry dopamine receptors". They continue doing NoFap thinking the good effects of cold showers and so on are because of NoFap, when in all actuality, NoFap isn't doing **** for them anymore.

    Lmfao
     
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  20. Opportunity For Better

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    Since joining here three years ago you've started basically the exact same thread four times and posted about nothing else. In this thread you're just ridiculing people who are giving you their opinions and arguing against NoFap. It seems you're only here to discourage people.
     

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