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There is no flat line.

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by Lyart, Mar 8, 2017.

  1. diddykong

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    I don't deny that there are periods where it gets really tough and I also hit quite a deep low during one point. Life is a rollercoaster though and there are so many things outside of NoFap that can contribute. This kind of learned helplessness that you are "stuck" in a flatline like it is some kind of disease state really is less helpful than focussing on the long term positives of changing your life for the better. So many people seem to cling even to the promise of a flatline, longing for it as a magical thing that will take away all their urges rather than focussing on the long term positives.
     
  2. skeptical

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    Go detox from any drug like cocaine and such and tell me withdrawal is non existent and you would be laughed at like, flatline is simply a word to describe the withdrawal from porn addiction, unless you undermine or say that porn addiction does not exist? The thing is, if you went through and made it to 90+ days and feel better, why would you take your time here to act superior to the rest of us fighting and some of us still through the withdrawal process ( flatline )?

    It smells like arrogance and a very bad character.
     
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  3. diddykong

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    You don't have to be defensive. I never said that withdrawal symptoms don't exist or that I never encountered any. All I'm trying to do is share a perspective which has helped me during the process and trying to turn some of the negativity into positivity. You clearly don't agree with my perspective, which is fine, but I'm still allowed to share my opinion without having people make personal attacks on my character.

    I wish you the best with your journey and hope that you start to feel some improvement soon.

    I'm not watching this thread anymore. I'm fine with people challenging my opinions but I don't come here for personal attacks.
     
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  4. skeptical

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    First of all, it was not directed towards you, second of all, if someone is going to make a statement this crucial that flatline is nonexistent, do you expect people to clap their hands to this message when he provides no facts or evidence other than utter talk that has no value? It's a critical subject for many of us and I for one do not appreciate someone claiming things without evidence in such a topic where many people speak daily of.

    He talks in a provocative way and that is nothing I respect when a person achieves something and instead of contributes, demeans and undermines someone elses process.

    Everyones entitled to their opinion? go to a cocaine rehab and tell them that withdrawal is nonexistent, if that is your opinion, should you state it? its exactly the same way here

    Basically people who are going through withdrawal will take offense because you are basically calling them liars or delusional
     
  5. Lyart

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    My friend, do you have any evidence for any ot this Nofap thing ?

    I'm not a scientist. Im sharing my thoughts - remember that. I don't expect you to be happy about what I say, you are a free man.

    Stay positive and don't focus on the negatives. (Flatline)
     
  6. tendency14

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    hey guys, i havent pmo in a very long time, and i havent yet reached a flatline, can you tell me, if you went trough one, how it feels? i actually want a flatline, i really want a flatline, the thing is because of my nervous system, i have my system in high levels because i havent Pmo and the body is reacting fast, like it really needs to stimulate dopamine, i need dopamine, im a guy who can easly pmo 10 times to getoff, and this long time without pmo has made me feel the simptoms, i wake up some mornings with incredible urges, where i can feel the vibe and the need of dopamine stimulation in ultra high states, i really see this as a drug now, wich i never did because i never tought in leaving this and the effect it can have wich is bad, i did have some calm states up till now, but nothing close to a flatline, calm because im trying setting my mind to getting calm but if i barely think in something spoilery my T levels will go trough the sky, and im not saying that i go around thinking and seeking this spoilery things, i just for some reason, out of nowhere get a fast anxiety then nervous and then if i think in any bad movie scene i get urges that are hard to get off and last about 2-5 hours, the other morning i woke up at 5 am with an urge that was paranoing me, it was up till now the most deadly urge i had, because it was completally unexpected, i had gone to sleep with no sexual toughts, absoulte nothing, i had even prayed to god at night and it was looking like a very normal sleeping night, but at 5 am it came like a tsunami, it was terrible, i had to jump off the bed and stand up for a few minutes to relax, my heart beat was going like crasy, i tried thinking in the sky and god but it was no use, it seemd like this urge was slowlly in my sleep developing and at 5 am wen i woke up it hit me like a rock, my blood preasure must of ben at incredible levels altough i didnt check, and in this bad situation i had a feeling like of need,like i really needed something, i needed the release of dopamine, i really did, this lasted for about 6 hours straight, lowering with the pass of time, im pretty sure that in that moment my testosteron levels were above normal, thats why i actually want one of those flatlines, i now they can exist and i want one, i was actually in a state of suffer, but that was weeks ago, today i feel more "normal" my levels seem to be at good states, but now im completally aware of urges, i now they exist, and they hit, so im getting miself stronger for this, my goal is to leave fap forever.
     
  7. Aiyoshi

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    Well friend, you're doing it WRONG by saying there's NO flatline.

    It's like showing a delicous cake to a child and saying DO NOT EAT! Then she goes and eats it.

    The subconscious mind only understands affirmations. Remember it, ok?
     
  8. Aiyoshi

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    Actually, this is likely to happen.

    If suddenly everyone in the whole world starts pressuring one person to jump off a cliff and die, this person will eventually start believing those words, start to think that their life is meaningless and they should die.

    And then, jump to their death.
     
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  10. Gladiatori

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    Enough of.this.bs guys. We on same team. He has a good way to train yourself. IF you make yourself to.believe there.is none. Then the mind the.will can do some superhumans stuff. This how i see it.

    WHEN i was addict.of alcohol i made myself do other stuff. IF i tell myself im addicted! !! Wallow in my pit.of.misery its gonna make it so. SO i c why he.says.this.
     
  11. skeptical

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    It's because you haven't been through a withdrawal that is exactly why you guys state what you say, it's not a small thing that you just grow strong and finish lol. Go use your superhuman stuff on cocaine, meth or heroin withdrawal and you will be on every TV station that ever exist, but you can't. I think the withdrawal process on nofap is different for each case, some people face it some don't, or in minor doses. I have never in my life felt the way I do for this long period of time, despite what I do, it feels abnormal and reading other stories and listening to other people explaining what flatline is, it pinpoints on every detail, every person I shared a video of flatline say it is spot on, whether you want to believe it or not is your choice but going out to preach about it in this manner is absolutely disgusting.
     
  12. Aiyoshi

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    How did things become like this. It's like the salty people on psn...
     
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  13. Lyart

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    Stay focused and be positive!
    But you must over think one thing regarding the cake: Google "the marshmallow test"
     
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  14. Aiyoshi

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    This test is a good example of how to win at nofap.

    The kids who manage to resist are the ones who start thinking or doing something else instead of thinking of NOT eating the marshmallow.
     
  15. Lyart

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    I have read the marshmallow test:
    Those are not the only options to resist.

    Kids who were told that the marshmallow is in fact a little cloud could even think about it or look at it, resisting. They even brought the 2 marshmallows home as their trophies!
    Meaning it's okay to see flat line as an illusion/non existant.

    You are right about positive affirmations, though.
     
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  16. Aiyoshi

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    There was one who saw it as a picture and resisted. It was funny hearing it.
     
  17. diddykong

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    The marshmallow test is a demonstration of a concept called "ego fatigue". For those who don't know the test, participants were sat in front of a marshmallow and told that if they didn't eat it within five minutes then they could have two. It sounds simple but even a surprising number of adults fail this test. Participants did all sorts of escalating things before actually eating it - licking it, sniffing it but it demonstrates a concept that trying to suppress urges for immediate reward leads to those urges becoming harder to resist.

    The people that succeed in this test are the one's who can focus on that future gain. That makes it easier to switch the focus away from the immediate reward onto the greater long term reward. One of the difficulties with addiction is that the brain gets locked into going after the immediate reward which can make it harder to focus on that longer term reward.
     
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  18. NoBrainer

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    Well, this thread embodies a common misconception about the flatline, with regards to rebooting.

    The "flatline" was originally characterised not by changes in mood/ feeling sad etc. The flatline was characterised by little to no sexual urges and/ or sexual energy. For example, I went through a short flatline when I started rebooting on a streak... a while ago now. I did not experience changes in mood or depression like some people feel when they quit. Rather, I just had no urges. Rebooting was actually quite straight forward during that time.

    I can't talk for people who complain that they're sad 'all of a sudden'... after starting a reboot. However I don't believe that such small 'depressions' can be attributed or even linked to the so called flatline. However, I have experienced intense loneliness before, during and after reboots, which I would say is just all part of it...
    This is a good thing you do say Lyart. If someone is really comitted to rebooting, there's nothing they can do anyway. So you might as well accept it, and ride it out until it ends (of course some people freak out and convince themselves that they've "broken their junk" through nofap, and of course relapse...).
     
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  19. Gladiatori

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    @NoBrainer exacto! Crybaby culture man. GO AND WORK.

    Being sad is normal. Accepting you will be sad forever and do nothing about it is for cowards. I SEEN this bullshit mentality from ppl at AA . I hate AA btw. The whole shit that is disguised there is to normalize depression and addiction as some kinda acceptable normal okay thing. Its okay.to bask and stew and do infect.others with your virus of.loserdom like that. ILL SAY. F#!#$ that shit! IT is not normal or okay. This is problem of society. A problem of laziness. Complacency. U.think jesus was lazy? Complacent? Cowardly? Think again! Get off ur ass when u are sad. Do somethin abt it. SAD is normal. Voluntarily.staying in that is not!
     
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  20. skeptical

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    Funny thing about everyone of you who speaks of flatline as something non related to the reboot have all something in common, you speak of ignorance, and you all speak provocatively

    if you were debating the subject with understanding and trying to reason with people going through reboot, that would be one story but coming here acting like everyone gets the same deal based on your own experience only is for me something ridicilous
     

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