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The Unmanly Man's Reality

Discussion in 'Loneliness' started by R92B, Mar 21, 2017.

  1. Resentful of women, human psychology and gender roles in a socially fucked society. The flakiness of women; the way in which they're manipulated by "swag" and confidence and seem to ignore the moral compass of the man in front of them. The science of attraction baffles me and seems to reward the egotistical and corrupt. Gorgeous women complaining that there are no good men when most guys I know are very "good" and would worship the ground they walk on. Society deems such men as weak and sexually undesirable, instantly "friend zoned" and seen as the adorable brother but nothing more.

    I haven't fallen victim much of such instances personally; my misery is more in line with the "non-approach" being no approach. I receive a few glances a week on average, yet cannot overcome my soaring anxiety levels and surrender my ego, in case of rejection. Such anxiety levels are completely irrational, yet my body and mind remain frozen in fear; the more beautiful the more burdening. The more in tune with my pornography tastes, the more I leer and idolise; curve-hugging outfits and silky smooth complexions are my Kryptonite. These glances are invitations for conversation and potential courtship - for all of evolution that much hasn't changed. However, such glances are only ever going to be that; a smile is rare and a spoken word is unheard of. This is down to the man without exception.

    I can barely hold eye contact and maintain a conversation with cashiers at a supermarket check-out; yet societal constructs require me to mask such problems and go so far as to charm the opposite sex - for the mere reason that I've got a penis and she's deemed pedestal-worthy. I know dozens of men just like me. Suffering the same plight, living through disdain and ever-enhancing resentment. On this forum alone there's many of us flying this flag.

    So we continue to live this way. Damning gender roles for crippling us and longing for our position in this life to improve of it's own accord. The aesthetically unattractive man that is in touch with the masculine mentality will fearlessly court (and win) the most attractive women. He is short, pot-bellied and broke but don't you forget how he will laugh, charm and fuck her in ways you could only bookmark on your favoured internet browser.
     
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  2. Headspace

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    Are you sure you aren't just looking for women who are like the ones you saw in porn, at least a little bit? I actually did that in the past. I liked seductive women and I fell in love with one for a long time (complicated story, I did get her, but only for a short while), but when I realized how much of a sad pile of misery she really is my taste in women took a dramatic change. There are many good women out there.

    "Gorgeous" already sounds like quite a superficial term, and "worshiping" can be a sort of objectification, too. Just saying this because of my suspicion mentioned above. Not meaning to be a nitpicker.

    I lol'd. So, what does he have that you don't? And what can you change about this?
     
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  3. Thanks for reading man. My post was a bit of a personal rant against society rather than a cry for help. I know my short-comings and how to overcome them, in theory at least. Practising social skills in particular can be a very difficult thing.

    Regarding your comments; no, my vision isn't skewed towards women who resemble porn. These are just societal trends I have observed throughout life and deeply detest. Man is attracted to the physical; we will always be and objectifying "gorgeous" women is never going to stop. Appreciating beauty is different to ogling them like a kid in a sweet shop. There's something very unnatural about people on here wanting to detract from the physical entirely.
     
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  4. Headspace

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    Alright.

    That's true! This is neither possible nor desirable. It's just that "appreciating" and "worshipping" are, or could be, two different things. Mutual attraction can only arise from an interaction between both people, it's not just the guy conquering the girl like a knight conquering a castle. Before this doesn't happen, there just can't be any relationship and when you think you have fallen in love or something this is merely an illusion.
     
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  5. Conversations with cashiers? Damn. I don't even look them in the eye most of the times.

    In my life I most of time went from A to B and not even looking at women. I tried approaching and looking and even that seems weird.

    One time a woman purposely bumped into me almost with her dog trying to get a conversation. But back in those times I was used to fapping and porn, being lazy.

    Now with NoFap my true personality shows. Witty, conversation, fair etc.

    Maybe the key is not looking but when it happens it happens. And you are on NoFap all fresh and ready.

    If you end up having sex with everyone you end up feeling disgusted anyway.

    Do you first.
     
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  6. Buzz Lightyear

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    Well, I for one love women! And think it very healthy to do so! Long live the healthy libido as opposed to the over-inflated out-of-control one. As for social values, and the average women, you just have to rise above them. Become a better person, and find the better girls. I focus on the cute women. What they may lack in superficial looks they more than make up for in personality. Look for a healthy relationship~~
     
  7. Surrendering to fate is how I've lived for the past decade; it doesn't work in a world whereby my gender is the dominant. I'm designed to be the hunter; food doesn't fall into my lap. Sorry, not a perfect analogy! I'm glad you're doing good bro.

    Absolutely, women are great - there's a little self-loathing and self-resentment in my post. I'm attacking women and gender roles for no other reason than my incapability to conform to them. Yes, while I'm speaking generally, there will be women who look beyond the bravado. I still think that if she had many options, she would go with what she's designed to be attracted to, however.
     
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  8. Cheers man, never considered myself a noticed poster on here to be honest. I think I remember you from a previous account before you deleted it?

    You make some valid points; skin-deep is very real though. It doesn't matter what you look like when you have issues that go far beyond the physical. Also, I've had some acne issues for the past decade which are only now being solved. Though most say it's hardly noticeable it has damaged me immensely. It's incredible what self-judgement and perfectionism can do.

    I appreciate the post more than you think. Thanks.
     
  9. I believe confidence is key when it comes to women, or communicating with humans in general. First thing people notice is if you are comfortable in your own skin. If you can hold eye contact that gives a good first impression. The best way to cope with your anxiety is to jump into social situations more often. You will soon see that a lot of people share common interests etc. Other than that, stay off PMO. It is poison to the mind. After some time you stop feeling so desperate for sex all the time, and can hold normal conversations. You stop giving a shit about what others think of you. That is paradoxically when women will start to notice you more.
     
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  10. I Free I

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    The Truth .

    It's your choice whether you want to overcome the approach or not .
    Your thoughts become things .
     
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  11. Good luck to you ! Constantly work on yourself and I hope you will get over your dilemmas !

    Also I can relate to some of your views, you are not alone in this struggle.
     
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  12. Thanks for the feedback. Social anxiety is an ever-growing phenomenon due to technology taking over the need for face-to-face interaction. Thus, men who struggle with traditionally manly traits such as approaching women is rising massively. Like I said, I know at least a dozen guys irl who are equally crippled. It's a sad state of affairs and recognition is the first step in putting it right.
     
  13. MarkedProgress

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    Correct, while they may be corrupt, they are capable to take care of their needs, even if that means stomping other. Women see this as men being able to take care of women no matter what.

    What is good in worshiping someone else ? Where's the dignity ? These men don't have any dignity in themselves Every women take a piss, a shit, and their mouth stinks if they don't wash it. Why should you praise the looks of women so much ? They didn't work to get it, it's just genetics. At 40-50 years old - they'll be ugly, like everyone else. The men who worship (put them on pedestal) beautiful women are superficial. When you are this kind of man, you are weak. Why not work on yourself and be the best you can be and have some dignity in your own abilities and do not put someone else on a pedestal, especially for only looking good. As a result, women do not want such a weak man. (This being said, I'm not saying I don't like beautiful women, thing is I don't put them on a pedestal, that's all).

    You are the one who must change. Work on yourself, every day and every week you work on yourself - you will see that you get better little by little and in time you will get where you want to be if you stick to your new habits. When you get to this new place, women will adore you because they will see you as a man with purpose and not an average one.
     
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  14. MarkedProgress

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    What I was referring to is that a 50 years old person is not attractive. Let's be real, no woman or man would fuck someone who is 50. There are exceptions to the rule, but as general rule a 50 year old is not as attractive as someone between 20 - 30.
     
  15. No need for that bro, he's entitled to his opinion.

    His premise is valid, putting hot girls on pedestals gets guys nowhere. The guys that treat em like nothing, ironically, end up balls deep in them.
     
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  16. It's counterintuitive for me but yeah I saw so many cases like this and can't fucking understand it.
    I saw some explanations to this but still, women have brains and should obviously know that letting someone like that will not end up well. And they still fall for them. Normal guys (that can be both nice and badass) are still invisible to them.
     
  17. A follow up from my self loathing and hopeless prior post; which I'm sure many forumers can reasonate with. I no longer feel this way and can happily say I am starting to embrace my gender role and position within society. As a hunter is it my job to pick and choose who I'd like to pursue and who I'd want to experience life with.

    Starting to approach women is a terrififying thing at first, especially in a society whereby a cold approach is deemed "odd" because 99.9% of men do not do it. Women seemed caught off guard and you only have a matter of seconds to convince her of your sanity let alone charm her into passing her number. But for many of us who wish to enhance our chances beyond our limited social circles; that is the only realistic option.

    Even Brad Pitt, Taylor Lautner or whoever is the shit these days "looks-wise", would never get tail if he didn't put in some effort to chase and fulfil his gender role. He would get glances sure but women would rarely act on it due to 99.9999% conforming to their position within society and how they believe the courting process should be.

    The rest of 2017 is about continuing to step out of my comfort zone and make strides with my social confidence and dating life.
     

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