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The balance between understanding PA and becoming fully empathetic with the SO's pain

Discussion in 'Rebooting in a Relationship' started by TryingHard2Change, Jul 17, 2018.

  1. TryingHard2Change

    TryingHard2Change Distinguished Fapstronaut

    A new thought emerged in my mind this morning...I was contemplating a few different nuggets that I've heard from my wife recently, over the last couple months:
    * my wife has stated multiple times that she doesn't think I understand her pain

    * my wife has come to the conclusion that my CSAT therapists is not very helpful for her (understandable, as the therapist is focused on sexual addiction, helping me understand it and successfully recover from it)
    *** part of where my CSAT therapist lost my wife, was on multiple occasions, the therapist tried to explain to my wife what addiction is... it wasn't what my wife needed to hear, she needed (needs) support for her own betrayal trauma

    ..

    So, to the point of this thread: there seems to me to be competing priorities in the recovery of a porn addict (one in a relationship/marriage).... obviously stage one is to confront the addiction, admit that you are powerless, and learn the arduous task of overcoming that addiction.

    But as you learn about addiction, it slowly makes more and more sense how you sank deeper and deeper into the pit of porn/addiction. Not that addiction justifies that aberrant behavior and all the pain it caused your SO---but you understand how it all happened: addiction is so UGLY and devastating.

    But all that knowledge and understanding, while it helps the addict realize and hopefully overcome, it doesn't seem to do anything to help the addict understand what the SO went through during it all and then certainly after DDay. And the fact that the addict now understands--usually years later--is almost a slap in the face to the SO.

    ..

    I don't know if I'm making any sense. I think the bottom line of the thoughts that are still rolling around in my head is while CSAT's and their approach to helping sex addicts realize-and-recover seems to be proven and works well ... that same process/model may do little to help with the relationship recovery.
     
  2. kropo82

    kropo82 Fapstronaut

    I wonder if the understanding we gain about ourselves as we battle through the addiction puts us in a better place for understanding, sympathising with, and helping our partners. I feel like I have more emotional intelligence now, but that might be a delusion
     
  3. BB7378

    BB7378 Fapstronaut

    Yes I am having a lot of this with my wife at the moment. Where she feels I don't fully get her pain. I don't think I do or will ever fully understand her pain but I want to try the best I can. I think it seems from various treads and journals that there seems to be a distinct lack of empathy in PA's. And this is something I still struggle with at times.
     
    Last edited: Jul 17, 2018
  4. Acky31

    Acky31 Fapstronaut

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    I think I partially agree with @kropo82 but at the same time, it is difficult for the SO to believe that as it is us that has made them feel that way in the first place.

    I also agree with @TryingHard2Change that recovering from PA and recovering a relationship are two entirely different tasks that need work on (obviously recovering from PA will help heal the relationship, but is not the only thing that needs to be done).

    In my case, things outside of the PA were not great (my communication was terrible, and I would often concentrate on other things, such as my phone or TV when she was talking, things which I have begun to address). I think this stuff beyond PA also impacts on how our SO's judge how well we understand and appreciate their pain.
     
  5. Healed!

    Healed! Fapstronaut

    I think you’re a good example of this. You’re doing well in your own recovery, but your wife is suffering as much or more than ever. Your recovery had to happen first. Otherwise, you would have continued down the path of destroying your wife and marriage. Can you understand her? Only if she tells you. And then, only to a limited extent. You will never see it entirely from her perspective. Nor will she see it from yours.You both need to recognize that and give the other some space and grace. It seems like you’re getting lots of insights in that direction lately.
     
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  6. Foxislander

    Foxislander Fapstronaut

    This seems as good a place as any to post this on a day 119 of an unknown number hardmode pmo having a tough time anyone give me any hope for direction on this please help 911
    Maybe you don't understand I cry all the time so I'm thinking it is to thread of God that's hanging on to me right now me and my wife just had some Revelations again talking about our relationship and her response to sex in the near future and how that would proceed and mine and we are so polar opposite I feel like it's driving a wedge between us instead of bringing us together I have a strong sex drive she does not anything within the confines of marriage is supposed to be okay per the Bible? But it has to be mutual? How is that defined do we need to write it out? Do we just clumsily go into it and hurt each other? I guess I'm in an impasse a guy wants to fix things and needs the physical connection of sex a woman needs the emotional contact of sex but she's holding a big jar of resentment because of our past, and I don't know how to proceed? Up to this point I've always had space and where we're going and what the process is and now I'm questioning it again your thoughts?
     

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