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Strong anxiety with hot flashes (6 months without PMO)

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by Gota, Jan 27, 2018.

  1. Gota

    Gota Fapstronaut

    I'm more than 6 months 'hard mode' and this is my first try to abstain from PMO. The last few days are very difficult, I need help, because I don't understand what is going on...

    The last 3 years I suffer from depression, I used to take SSRI for almost 2 years, but quit in March 2017. Must say antidepressants doesn't helped me much. Beside being porn addict myself I spent almost 15 years in porn business running adult websites, watching porn all day long, because this was my 'job'.

    It all started on Monday. All day I had strong muscle pains and on evening started to feel anxiety followed with hot flashes, diarrhea, sweating, frequent heart beat. At night I was waking up every 15-20 minutes, anxiety, hot flashes, sweating, dry mouth and extremely fatigue. And it's so odd, I just lie in bed, feel no emotions, no anxiety, no depression, head is very clear, but feel strong pressure all over my body, especially chest, can't find place to feel comfortable. And then the pressure starts to dissapear, but is replaced with strong anxiety, 'brain fog' and hot flashes. And it repeats numerous times during the night.

    On Tuesday I felt very weak, spent all day lying in bed. Next few days were better, but yesterday I got hit by anxiety and hot flashes again. Physical symptoms are the same, but somehow less severe than on Monday, but this time I feel very bad mentally, hard depression and very strong anxiety.

    During my reboot I never had such anxiety and hot flashes symptoms before. And I'm more than 6 months 'hard mode'.

    I don't know what to do... I have no idea if this is related with reboot process or my depression just got to the 'new level'?

    Can it be something hormone related (like females gets during menopause)? I'm 41 years old and maybe this is triggered by long abstance from orgasm? I didn't had orgasm since July 2017.

    The worst thing I'm lonely, no family, live alone. Feeling hopeless and scared.

    Have you experienced something like that?
     
    Last edited: Jul 13, 2019
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  2. Gabirolboy

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    Its probably a flatline. It will go away in about 2 weeks
     
  3. Fallensoldier1

    Fallensoldier1 Fapstronaut

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    Oh my gosh that was from January 2018!!! I wonder how he is doing now??
     
  4. DiegoNunez7749

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    Do you have money for a vacation??
     
  5. DiegoNunez7749

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    Maybe you just need to release stress my brother.. don’t think about it to much
     
  6. AspiringVitality

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    Do you take or have you been on benzo's?
     
  7. DiegoNunez7749

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    What’s that
     
  8. Gota

    Gota Fapstronaut

    I'm much better now. It's hard to say what was the exact cause of this. Personally I believe these were PAWS related. I started to take medication and the symptoms subsided, but I was still getting them when experiencing heavy stress or had flu. I think this is how my nervous system reacts to physical and psychological stress, it became very sensitive after I abstained from porn. And the next week there will be 2 years after I quit PMO.

    No... I used to take sulpiride to reduce the somatic symptoms, but I don't take them anymore. I still take antidepressants (I started to take them few weeks after I wrote that post).
     
    Last edited: Jul 13, 2019
  9. Fenix Rising

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    Hi man, I'm glad you're doing so well. I remember reading your post way back. I wasn't so disciplined as I relapsed last year unfortunately. Still doing some progress now. Can you write when you started to see improvements on anhedonia, depression, social anxiety front? Thanks
     
  10. Gota

    Gota Fapstronaut

    For me the 'bottom' of reboot was around the time I wrote this post (6 months of 'hardmode'). I went to psychiatrist and he prescribed me antidepressants. When I started to take them my depression became even worse. The worst was in spring 2018. Then it slowly started to improve, but it was very uneven process. Now the depression is almost gone, I usually get it only if I have a strong stress or get physically ill (like having flu, etc.), but it doesn't lasts long. Overall it's much better when it was 1-1,5 years ago. As for anxiety, it's more difficult... Back then I was getting anxiety for 'no reason'. Now I know the reasons well and it's more like an 'exsistential anxiety' that is related to my childhood traumas, the fear of death and illness. And anhedonia, I would say it dissappeared about half year ago, so about 1,5 years after I abstained from PMO. But I think the big impact on anhedonia was that I was able to find the activities that gave me pleasure and replaced PMO.

    I have read many posts on this forum saying that PAWS can last as long as 2 years after quitting porn and from my own personal experience I can say this is a very reasonable time frame. The most symptoms I had (especially the somatic symptoms) are gone now, but my nervous system is still very vulnerable. But maybe this is inherented, my both parents had a very sensitive nervous systems, so I'm not sure it's still PAWS related. Maybe I'm just a sensitive person and after I abstained from PMO I don't have an easy way to escape from stress and traumatic experiences anymore and still learning how to deal with this.
     
    Last edited: Jul 13, 2019
  11. BigOne79

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    I had a bad nervous system reaction two months to six months in. I am on nine months now and am trying to stick to hard mode as well. Although I have slipped with the P I have not MO or PMO in the last eight months. Did you ever have any porn slip ups at all and did it effect your hard mode reboot ..?? Surprisingly my anhedonia cleared within the last two months. I’m generally feeling better with less anxiety as you say it’s due to traumas, my future.

    I give you immense credit for doing this all on your own without help around you. Happy you stopped the SSRI’s too. It seems like you were able to fill the gaps then very easily.

    I know it’s difficult to tell but you feel your sense of normal arousal has returned and how long do you think that took you to get to that part of reboot ...??
     
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  12. Fenix Rising

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    I can 100 % relate to that. My mother has very similar similar personality traits as I have (very anxious and feeling blue prone). I do believe many symptoms attributed to long lasting PAWS are really the base psychological problems we didn't know how to deal with efficiently in the first place so we tried to "ease" them with PMO. That's why I don't believe in mantra saying time will heal these problems by itself. It might, if one has no underlying psych issues, but it might make problems even worse or lead to new addiction, if PMO is removed from life and everything else stays the same as underlying issues resurface.

    I'm glad you're doing so well. I hope my recovery timeline will be similar. I've made quite some progress during the first 3 months then I stagnated and even regressed when depression and anxiety took charge over my life. My mental state has become so fragile that every little stressful event throws me into very depressed and anxious state were I can't function anymore. I used to "solve" such situations with binge PMO sessions to the point of numbing myself so I would not care and could function again. Now that PMO is gone from my life (and I don't miss it a bit) I've been left defenceless. What would you advice me to do? I know exercise, regular sleep and diet help to some extend when done routinely, but I can't sustain self discipline during current levels of depression and anxiety when even going out for a drink seems vey difficult ttask to do.
     
  13. AspiringVitality

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    Good to hear you are doing so much better. Do you have plans to taper off your antidepressants? And may I ask what do you take?
     
  14. Gota

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    No, I have been very consistent with my reboot, no relapses... I didn't tried to achieve any specific time frame like 90 days or 1 year without PMO. Initially I didn't even had a clear plan, I just abstained being curious to see what will happen next.

    I think when you constantly watch porn and masturbate you put yourself in a permanent sexual hyperstimulation. When you abstain and go 'hardmode' all the sexual triggers goes away and you experience the libido loss. At the moment I don't have much desire to have sex, but maybe this is because I don't have any sexual partner. But I believe libido will come back with time, it's temporary.

    Paroxeti*e and mirtazapine. I don't plan to quit antidepressants anytime soon as I don't feel that good and still experience some depression episodes, but in much milder form than it was 1-1,5 years ago. Actually depression is the worst thing I experienced in my life ever, so I'll do anything not to get back where I was. I think it's still too early to quit medication for me.

    So I feel very much the same. When I experience stress I fall back into depression and anxiety. And I feel very hopeless then, like I want to run away from all this but there is no place to run and hide anymore. So all I can do is just go through this and expect the negative feelings to subside after some time (and actually they does).

    It's hard to give you a good advice as I'm still learning how to deal with this myself. What helps me is to have some activities that gives me pleasure and keeps me engaged. For me it's my work that I like a lot and find some relief there. Another thing is psychotherapy, it helps better understand and deal with the core mental issues. Even it's not easy and I usually feel worse after each psychotherapy session long term it provides the possitive results.

    Just be patient and persistent, falling back into PMO won't help you, it will just delay the whole process. Personally I can say that after 2 years of abstinence I don't have any desire to get back to PMO, I know where I will end as I already was there. I see abstaining as foundation to build my new self, my life and I see lots of positive results. And even if I still face a lot of mental issues I have a feeling that I'm moving the right direction and I want to continue.
     
  15. AspiringVitality

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    Have you ever had problems with depression before Nofap?
    And before PMO?
     
  16. Gota

    Gota Fapstronaut

    My nervous system collapsed back in 2014, after strong inflammatory of the leg. I never fully recovered after this. In spring 2015 I had a surgery and after it I started to feel very bad mentally and physically. I was feeling like I'm losing my mind. I was diagnosed with depression, but I'm not sure if this diagnosis was correct. I started to take antidepressants and my mental condition became even worse. In 2000-2013 I was running porn sites and all these years I was getting lots of symptoms that are described in this forum as 'withdrawals'. But my symptoms were mostly physical. I didn't had depression back then. Now I believe these somatic symptoms were the consequences of prolonged dopamine overstimulation, because I spent years watching porn all day long, it was my work... I started PMO at 14 and it lasted until I got 40, so overall all my life as adult I was engaged in porn (or erotica) one or another way.
     
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  17. AspiringVitality

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    How are you doing now, brother? Are you still improving?
     
  18. LonelyStranger2020

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    9months + without pmo and I’m in the worst mental state I have ever experienced. Everyday I’m battling with high anxiety/ mental confusion / sleep difficulties and pent up emotions that I don’t even know how to process. I feel dead but everyone around me says I’m alive hahahaha. Iv also been calling anxiety helplines etc.

    Unbearable but I’m still going. Worst thing though I have only Mum and younger sister In the house so for some reason I feel anxious around everyone. I also find myself doing nothing at all. All day all night.

    need help. What can I do at home? To engage myself and drift away from anxiety. Feels like I can’t relax around mum and sister. For some weird reason.
     

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