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Strangulation porn

Discussion in 'Porn Addiction' started by Married*2*Dr*Jekyll, Feb 20, 2017.

  1. m_brando

    m_brando Guest

    Of course it's her call. It's also important that she feels empowered. The worst thing that ever happened to me was reading a book about needy and entitled women when I was trapped and isolated in an abusive relationship, denied my right to be angry and therefore be strong enough to leave.

    It's important she's supported by other women instead of 'go easy on him' dudes, like a lot of the misogynists in the P industry that I was hanging around before and after, telling me to just "be cool" and swallow everything about being treated badly was doing to me, defining what I should legitimately accept. We're all projecting- of course there are men here hoping to make a bid for more sympathy for him, but the problem at hand here is how all of this is destroying her. The world encourages women to be fixers and tolerators of bad behavior and it's unfair to take that role on endlessly. In other words, asking porn addicts how to handle a porn addict is like asking inmates how prisoners should be treated. It's useful information but a bit biased and irrelevant in the end.

    Life is freaking short and getting shorter. At least she has set the time limit. It's awful to think of the time wasted. You just can't control another person and some people just aren't worth it.
     
  2. noonoon

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    I want to be sensitive with this because it is a delicate issue, BUT as you posted you question on a public forum you must be looking for various insights? Well, here is my first thought: what gives you the right to spy on your husband?
    I know there will be many here who disagree with me on this, but i think spying on your spouse is a bad thing. Akin to looking at porn.
    Yes, your husband has a disgusting kink you've happened upon - and it is plaguing your consciousness - but consider your own responsibility. You HAD to know.
    And now you're acting like his mom. You're grounding him. You're his enforcer. You're the boss. He will resent you for this. Even if he cleans up.
    Pornography addiction is perhaps the most depraved thing many men here do. Our searches reveal a depravity that none of us would be happy to have revealed to the world. It is a reflection on interior thought and struggle.
    In my opinion your snooping is a kind of betrayal. If he has authorized you to do that - in some sort of marital agreement - I suppose that would be different, but i can't imagine what kind of therapist would agree to this knowing how degrading that kind of agreement would be, how infantile.
    Have you considered your husband doesn't want to talk about it with you? Perhaps he doesn't feel like you are the best person to be his accountability partner? Perhaps he wants to quit but also wants to protect you from it?
    If your husband knew all of your most secret thoughts, if he could snoop on your thoughts, what would he say? "pure as the driven snow"?
    I say, if you love your husband, and want your marriage to work, stop snooping on him, and for heavens sake stop trying to be his mother!
     
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  3. Star Lord

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    I agree with some parts of this but the tone is a bit judgemental.

    Let's not take sides.

    Pete made the fundamental problem exist. Married has lost trust, and now doubts his loyalty. Snooping is bad but necessary to discover the extent of lies maybe?
    Though discovering ugly truths are no good either , it's better than pondering the worst possible thoughts.
     
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  4. noonoon

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    I agree. Edited it a bit.
     
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  5. recoome

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    I think you're better off without him. Maybe just take a break and go separate ways. You have a right to live for yourself.
     
  6. I agree. He even wrote me a whole two page account of his gaslighting waus and the process he is in but he cant stop. Bottom line is it is not healthy for us to be together when he is doing it for several reasons.
    1) if I let him I am enabling it
    2) it hurts me and I feel like I am going crazy
    3) my behaviour isnt great after ie I scream and shout which even if kids are on the bottom floor of the house they could still hear.
    4) all the litetature indicates its the only way to deal with addiction and codependency at this stage of the addiction.
     
  7. Well he has now given up on recovery completely. He promised full transparency of all his internet activity but has changed all passwords and not using IMlock.

    Must have relapsed and too scared to tell me. Either that or too scared to fess up to the strangulation porn. We are just going round in circles. He isnt even trying to get better. He is sinking further down the rabbit hole.

    Nothing I can do. He is lost now. All I can do is protect me and the kids
     
  8. I think you gotta leave this man. Just my opinion. I also watched sick and brutal stuff, if you are interested in how i see it feel free to read my journal. But since he in no way earnestly and seriously tries to change, just leave him. ONE WHOLE YEAR is a waaaay too long period of time to give him to solve his shit. What sense in going to a counselor when he outright lies to the counselor?
    On the other side, he wrote you an account, that shows he at least tries something.
    And all this spying and stuff, although i can understand, the level of trust between BOTH of you must be very low.
    Hard situation, i don't know what to advice. What i know is, one year is too long. It must feel like "ok i still have time, no worries" for him.
    Still i am not here to judge your husband, since i don't know his side of the coin.
    The thing is: You cannot safe him, and unless he really really does not want to change himself, you will not make him do.
    All the best!
     
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  9. IGY

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    I don't even know why you are giving him until Christmas. This has consumed you for the reasons you have explained. I do not think your motives are simply to create boundaries an avoid enabling. You salve your conscience with that mantra, but are you being honest? I don't think you are - deep down you know that. You have a punitive schema. I do not judge you for that, but I implore you to stop pushing him away. Please work with him on this. I have said before, the likelihood of Pete stopping instantaneously without your support is negligible. :( So, please rethink your approach.
     
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  10. Border_

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    I read your whole thread. Although this situation is beyond difficult, I think you have several positive characteristics going for you. You are pretty self-aware of your own emotions and limitations in the situation, like anger getting the best of you and perhaps some forms of co-dependency. Also the willingness to design and execute boundaries. That is huge.

    Most of all I think it's admirable that you haven't just left the marriage even though it's really messy. A lot of other people would be gone far before this point instead of enduring the suffering you have. I understand that at some point more permanent forms of separation might be the most prudent thing to do.. not saying they aren't. It's incredibly difficult to discern when exactly that is. But it sure is encouraging to see someone willing to fight for marriage against the odds.

    I think strong boundaries and time apart of increasing length so long as your husband is disengaged and not yet willing to partner with you in repairing the damage of this addiction is the right way to go. Sadly.. addicts have an absurdly high tolerance for pain and will continue to persist in negative behaviors which cause it long after any sane person would be able to disengage with them. But we've got to hope that somewhere your husband still is capable of doing good things despite all the twisted patterns of thinking and behaving that have been built up.

    At this point encouragement from afar, strong boundaries, and a concrete unwillingness to settle for less than you deserve are your greatest tools. I know that last one is one of the hardest things to sustain in the face of gaslighting. Gaslighting REALLY sucks. Unfortunately you have to go head to head with an addict's tenacity to engage in a whole slew of rationalization, minimization, justification, and the whole works. If you haven't already, get a strong support network to keep you from bending. The hold of the addiction isn't absolute.. it WILL start to crumble in the face of repeatedly having to face consequences for his actions, and continually being held accountable with the wrongness of his behavior pointed out. The fact that there are many of us here who were once in a very similar situation to your husband and now are actively recovering to the best of our ability is a testament to that truth. Stay strong! Thanks for reaching out!
     
  11. Thank you that was very insightful. Yes my mum has just arrived to help me keep boundaries firm. Are you a recovered addict? If so There is hope!!!!
     
  12. Star Lord

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    Everyone here is an ex addict or affiliated to one.
     
  13. Star Lord

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    I agree with what you say.

    I will add that it's also important to not push an addict into a corner too tightly.
    The tipping point, there's no telling what reaction may result.
    Some contemplate suicide for example.
    Tremendous feeling of guilt can do this to some.
    Others may scurry back into the turtle shell deeper than before.

    It's a tricky thing, a person mental state can flick like a light switch when they are addicts in denial.
     
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  14. Border_

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    It's a bit complicated, but basically yes, I'd like to call myself a recovering addict. I'll try to do your question justice. Growing up I used drugs and PMO in order to self comfort. Never got to the point of ritualizing those behaviors, daily use, or continual escalation. But the behavior was definitely compulsive.

    For the past six years I've tried my best to abstain from those behaviors with intermittent lapses. Made it as far as 1-2 years several times. I am actively trying to abstain from those behaviors for good. For the past 10 months I've had more frequent struggles with PMO, which is what eventually brought me here. I do my best to be as transparent with my wife about it as she is comfortable with. I have a mentor figure I meet with regularly to explore my beliefs, family history, and thinking patterns that leads to unwanted behavior.

    Hope to continue making forward progress and growing in freedom from these oppressive patterns and behaviors of my past. Definitely look forward to the day that I can point to my last lapse and say it's 5 or 10 years from now but trying to take it moment by moment. Recently passed Day 700 for mind altering drugs and hope to never look back.
     
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  15. Well done. Keep fighting the good fight. At least you are honest with your wife. We are all human. We all make mistakes. I am a recovered alchoholic. I stopped because of my kids. Honesty really is the only path to recovery
     
  16. I dream of the light switch momemt!!!!! Not there yet.
     
  17. Dont worry about him commiting suicide. Ive assessed him for that!!! He isnt even low risk too many protective factors as we call in it in mental health services
     
  18. Yes part of his recovery from porn addiction requires full disclosure and transparency. It was agreed. I am the same. Not married are you bro?
     
  19. Well we just met up and talked for an hour and he took accountability for what he did. Said he wasnt into the strangulation porn it was just something he saw and it disgusted him. Sticking firm with my one week boundary of him not allowed week though.

    He is also questioning if he can come back to us as a family after all that he has done so I guess he is finally facing up to the consequences of his behaviour.

    Thanks for all your input guys
     
  20. Mattsfreedom

    Mattsfreedom Fapstronaut

    Lying and self centeredness is part of the addiction. Have you tried attending a al anon meeting? If not I would recommend it. It may prove to be very helpful.
     

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