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Discussion in 'Problematic Sexual Behavior' started by ultrafabber, Jul 27, 2019.
With me and many others here, feeling gets only such strong if you are on P or Psubs.
Sadly nobody picked up on the really burning questions. What I get from the anti-porn mainstream is essentially this:
Porn is bad and fries brains.
Masturbation is healthy in moderation.
Casual sex with varying partners is healthy. Use protection, don't create children! If some accident happens abort it!
However number two and third was never proven. In fact the third claim comes from the same people who promote porn and masturbation as "healthy". That's why I consider it debunked.
What if in fact all three fry the brain and create a whole generation of people incapable of bonding, who end up with houses full of cats and this:
Yes, that's a doll. Adult women playing with dolls is perfectly normal and healthy, isn't it?
Haha I'll tell the story.
I walked into a party once and people were like "___ Is going to suck his own dick!" I won't use his name. About a minute later a bunch of girls ran out the room yelling "he did it!" They seemed happy to see it. I didn't go in the room to watch myself.
There are nations that ban sex before marriage. I don't advocate for that, but know it can be done.
As far as banning goes that's not the point. People should be careful who they sleep with that's all. And sex releases a lot a dopamine which can be addicting. Anything that releases a lot of dopamine falls into the addictive category. Food can be addictive too, but we can't ban food obviously because if we did we'd die.
If someone has a sex addiction they should abstain from sex for a while to cure themselves. Then once they feel cured, only have sex with there significant other to build a strong bond. Hope that answers your concerns.
Exactly. Masturbation has never been proven as something healthy in the first place and it has been "normal" only in the US and some westernized countries and only in the past few decades. Masturbating has never been, until VERY recently in history, a common behavior, and that's something constant across most cultures, some not religious at all (chinese culture).
Not to mention that masturbation in nature is extremely uncommon, especially to ejaculation.
Same for casual sex. NEVER been proven to be healthy. There is however research showing that promiscuity in women leads to higher rates of unhappiness in marriage and to divorce.
I find it hilarious that all societies virtually praised marriage and flourished because of marriage, and now some "woke" individuals think they are some kind of Einsteins for acting the exact opposite of what has worked for millenia.
All the "sex positive", "sexual revolution" was a big fat degenerate lie.
nonsense mastrubation was around since cave men times. It's a natural thing a boy learns
Ps my dog humps his bed sheets sometimes he use to do it alot
Also you couldnt possibly know if man didnt do that throughout history stop with your BS its commen sense a boy finds out how to masterbate when he hits puberty and his dick blows up like a balloon and he gets feelings down there so he has to touch it and when he does it feels amazing so he keeps touching it thats how I found out.
I don't know what "anti-porn mainstream" you mean exactly to be honest. I get quite the opposite impression.
I think we all on this forum can agree, that porn certainly is not good for various reasons. I wouldn't go so far to say it "fries your brain", but it absolutely has a negative impact.
I personally can't say anything about whether or not masturbation is healthy, since I didn't research the topic enough yet. So I'll skip that for now.
I also don't think casual sex with varying partners is good or healthy and I honestly haven't seen a single person on the "anti-porn" side suggest such a thing. As far as I see it, it's usually the people, who also argument in favor of porn that say such things. Same goes for the topics of procreation and abortion. Apart from us addicts, the majority of people against porn are either conservative or religious. And usually these groups of people have problems with abortion as well.
So, I'm really curious what people mean. I would appreciate, if you would provide some information. Maybe I'm just unaware of these anti-porn groups, you're talking about.
Its not "uncommon"...but quite the opposite...many species do M time to time... But again only P or Psubs watching drives most of us P addicts to M.
@ultrafabber you did not answer my 5 previous questions? Kindly answer them.
You have said exactly what was in my mind.
@ultrafabber should not we be more concerned about Porn on social media sites and Youtube etc then on why "Nofap" does this or that.
I had previously created a thread "youtube allows Porn" but conclusion to which I reached was that I and others here do not have enough time and money to spare for the purpose of fighting giants like youtube. Also, reporting videos did not do anything to them. They are there as it is some even without age restriction.
I deleted that thread assuming that it might guide people to a very degenerate kind of P rather than helping them.
Nofap in my view is a Great step and is doing fine.
Moderation .... @ultrafabber you have to decide. Leave it. If it works then brilliant, if not then M moderately according to your standards.
Please stop telling lies. Masturbation behavior is extremely uncommon in nature. Even monkeys, our closest relatives do not all masturbate, it just depends on whether the species is promiscuous or monogamous/polygamous. It's the promiscuous (multi male multi female) species that masturbate and even then it's not really common. The monkeys that masturbate rank lower in social hierarchy and mate less. Humans are not promiscuous species they are mono/polygamous.
Aside from monkeys, masturbation is even rarer and in most cases it is not to completion. Just because some animals handle their penis it doesn't mean they masturbate, that's an interpretation of a sick human mind.
Literally over 99.99% of the animals do NOT EVER masturbate. If you count insects, it's even higher.
This is a different topic. I already said in that post that @NoFap should have officially mentioned on twitter or come out with a statement against that. They did not do it. I can't force them to do anything.
again with the bs 99.99% of the animals. you don't know 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of the animals so you cant make a calculation like that
It's called statistics and data gathered by scientists. Masturbation behavior is simply not observed. Does it mean it doesn't exist? No, it exists, it's just EXTREMELY uncommon, especially to ejaculation.
oh is that what its called, seriously it doesn't make a difference what its called.
i'm not arguing it doesn't exist or even its not uncommon, i'm arguing your spreading BS because you couldn't possibly know for sure its 99.99%.
with 2000000 different animals that means exactly 20,000 types of animals including us masturbate acording to your 99.99% not more or less perfect round number that's just not likely at all, your spreading BS
Of course i'm not saying it's exactly 99.99%, that's just a metaphor to show it is extremely uncommon. Maybe it's 91.56%, maybe it's 97.11%, maybe it's 99.9912%, it does not matter. The point is that it is extremely, EXTREMELY uncommon. And masturbation WITH ejaculation is even more uncommon.
If you include insects in the mix, since they are also ANIMALS, and they are 80% of all living animals... and insects simply do NOT masturbate, then the number of animals that do NOT masturbate goes to 99.999999% something (again, just a metaphor)
sure that all makes logical sense but but its still not true when you put up a number and say that's what it is that's a claim not a metaphor and this one happens to be false. planting false information in people minds is spreading bs.
anyways why does it matter if other animals don't masturbate? its doesn't mean its not a natural thing for a human to do.
the main difference between humans and other animals is our unique brains so why say something is not natural for humans because other animal don't do it, we are not the same as other animals.
Not lies, just well documented behaviour.
You can literally go through thousand of sources. Just search youtube for Animal masturbation. Or watch animal Planet or something at night. literally, you would see beasts beating their meats.
Site your source.
@ultrafabber Here's a link for you... I did not want to share but...well...
Here's a full playlist "
So, uhm... It kind of Makes my Youtube history "weird" ... much wierder than Searching for Porn on it. But maybe the some agency shall keep a eye on me... I will have to clear that...
one More link:
Now I will only watch some comedy or something... TOO much weirdness for a day....
This is the channel... to witness the phenomenon @ultrafabber
Moderation changes with your age.
Ive seen some old texts quoted here. I dont remember it exactly but basically:
Under 20yo - 1x a week
Over 30yo - 2x a month
Over 50 or 60 - 1x a month
Sucking your dick is not the best idea
You watched all that just to prove a point. Props to you.
Go enjoy that comedy . You earned it!
You are right. And that's actually the reason why I'm going to depart this forum promoting fornication, providing outright harmful relationship advice and exchanging weird theories.
That's not an environment for healing, in fact my only relapses due to spiritual attacks happened after registering here. So I'm going to correct this mistake.