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Should I leave my PMO addicted partner?

Discussion in 'Rebooting in a Relationship' started by cvicious, Oct 14, 2017.

  1. cvicious

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    Good morning everyone,

    Well it has been a long while since I posted here. My journey into PMO addiction started in June of 2015 when I first moved into my new apartment with my PMO addicted partner. Shortly after moving in I discovered emails between him and various people on the Craigslist casual encounters section... He came clean to me about everything, he claimed the emails never became anything physical.. To this day I feel foolish for believing they didn't..

    Over the last 3.5 years of our relationship, he has made and broken uncountable promises to change, to stop all this behaviour and I keep giving more chances and he keeps doing the same things.

    I've caught him in public filming unsuspecting women, I've got him talking to people on Craigslist, on psn, I've caught him using virtual reality porn, I've caught him on websites for rating prostitutes (he had used them in the past but claims he doesn't now...) On top of everything he loves those chat cam websites and spends hundreds of dollars on them...

    The one line I told him I will not put up with him crossing ever again was the Craigslist meet up emails... And guess what, I recently caught him at it again.. And I genuinely gave him the benefit of the doubt and believed all this time that he had stopped that for good, regardless of all the other stuff he was still doing.. But I was proven wrong again!

    I have asked him to go to a support group or therapy, he refuses. I have asked him to get a sponsor, he refuses. He refuses to do anything to stop this behaviour and yesterday he even spun it around and blamed it on me, that I keep bringing it up and he can't forget about it because I keep bringing it up...

    I am so fed up of constantly worrying, I have no trust left in him at all and he won't do anything to change. He just says the same crap he has always said and keeps doing the same behavior...

    Yesterday, I went and put in an application for an apartment and I'm seriously thinking of moving out...I told him about it and I honestly felt like he didn't really care when I told him...

    I keep fighting with myself, I love him so much and want to be with him badly, but he seems to honestly not care if I leave.. He even spun it around on me yesterday telling me I must want to leave..

    I'm at my wits end here guys... Is there any point in staying? Should I go through the pain of moving out and starting my life over, or should I keep trying with him? This is taking over my life and effecting my work and I'm honestly just so tired of it.
     
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  2. Nobody can make this decision for you. Only you can. Only you know what's best for you :)
     
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  3. Ultimately, the decision is up to you, but reading through this, I would absolutely say it is time to put an end to this. Let's be real here, why would he be on a website for rating prostitutes if he hasn't been to one since before you met? If he's been dishonest in his promise to stop talking to people in the Craigslist encounters section, then it's likely he's been equally dishonest about everything else (i.e. he probably HAS met people, and it's likely he's visited prostitutes too).

    Based on that alone, I would say there is absolutely no point in sticking around.

    Now let's give him the benefit of the doubt and assume absolutely everything he said was true other than what he said about not messaging people on Craigslist again - even so, the decision in my opinion should remain the same. It is one thing to forgive a mistake and let someone have another second chance, but when you specifically set a line he must never cross again if he wants to be given that second chance, and then he goes and crosses that very line - that's too much. At this point if you stick around, you're just enabling his behaviour, and enabling his addiction.

    You've specifically told him you will not stand for him crossing that line - so if you do, so if you stick around now, he knows that it doesn't matter what he does, and he can walk all over you because you won't leave.

    This is typical manipulation, and yet another reason to leave.

    The pain of starting over sucks, but you have to realise that the pain of sticking around will add up to a lot worse.

    Do what you think is best, but everything about this screams a toxic relationship that isn't going to get any better. Better to rip off the bandaid and get it over with so you can move on with your life.

    Even if you make the decision to stay with him, I would STILL leave him, and make it clear to him that maybe just maybe if he gets his act together you'll consider starting things up with him again - but until then the two of you will remain separated. If that doesn't convince him to clean up his act, then there was nothing worse salvaging in the first place and it's time for you to move on.
     
  4. cvicious

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    You're 100% right... I keep flip flopping on this decision, but I know in my gut what I have to do...I ask him to do something to show me that he cares to change, I ask him to go to a group or something and he refuses, he refuses to show any kind of change so how can I believe he wants to change?
     
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  5. MrLoner

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    I think the answer to this is pretty obvious. If he cared about you at all he would make an attempt to break the cycle. He is using you. Why stay in a 1 sided relationship? I was pretty much behaving this way to my ex girlfriend. I mean i wasn't doing what he is doing but i was doing things i shouldn't be doing if i loved her and i was doing them because i didn't love her and i didn't care about her at all. When she confronted me with these things i was just saying either that it is not true or i put the blame on her coz i just simply didn't care and the longer she put up with this the more i lost my respect for her and in the end i did what she couldn`t and broke up with her. Don`t be like my ex, this guy is no good for you get him out of your life. When we are in love sometimes everything is obvious but we ignore because we want to believe what we want to be true and we are weak. When u get this guy out of your life and his effect on you is gone u will see everything very clear and will not understand how u acted this way and didn't leave him way earlier and maybe u will feel stupid for this but don't. Because we have all been there, this is how we grow, do what u know u have to do and you will emerge from this a stronger and wiser person.
     
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  6. cvicious

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    Thank you for this, I need to hear this. He can't care about me that much of he is not willing to put any work in to change. He has an excuse for everything I have asked him to do, I have to keep the truth in mind here and act on the truth, not the fact that I love him so much and don't want to leave. I have to act on the fact that he seems to not care as much about me as I do about him..
     
  7. I say you should drop him. Its like he doesn't even care one bit about you. He doesn't deserve your love.
     
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  8. cvicious

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    As much as it hurts to think about this, I honestly feel in my gut that he doesn't care all that much about me and I'm better to move on...

    This is feeling exactly like my previous relationship with an alcoholic. i stayed with him for 8 years, begged him to clean up and get therapy, cried that I didn't want to bury him and finally one day I had enough and ended it.. Come to find out he ran right back to his ex girlfriend so how much did he really care about me?

    It hurts to think of all the loving things he does, it makes me incredibly sad to think of not seeing him everyday after work, talking and snuggling with him.. But if he doesn't care enough to do something to show me he's going to change, then I guess he's not worth my time... I've begged him to just do one thing, to just get a sponsor, go to a meeting, try to curb guys use of his electronics or put a parental block on them.. He refuses everything..
     
  9. kio_actualized

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    My porn addiction caused harm to my ex gf. I noticed it and talked to her about the issue, decided I would change, but my low self esteem, depression and objectifications thoughts were still getting in our way and causing harm to both me and her. Porn was still influencing me. So I took a decision. I said to her I have to leave and get clean. I can not dare stay anymore and keep hurting her. She agreed after being relutant. So this is what I'm doing right now. This week I started my reboot process away from her, abstaining from PMO is the price I gotta pay if I ever want to have a relationship with her again. Feel guilty everytime I relapse and I miss her, but I really wont give in.

    It may be hard, but leaving is probably the right decision. You've done too much for him already, it may take you to leave for him to see how wrong he is. He probably will notice it and ask you for another chance, but I guess you shouldn't give him another chance this time. Either he changes for good or he can't be part of your life anymore. It's not going to be easy for him, but this was ultimately what he chose by being dishonest with you.
    I see no point of you staying, you really did everything you could already, you gave him more chances than he deserved. You gotta move on with your life.

    I wish you good luck with this
     
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  10. I'm sorry to hear about this. I'd say based on what you've shared with us which I'm sure wasn't easy that you should leave him. You need to think about your own health and safety as well. If he's been involved with other people you just don't know if he's picked something up or that he might. I think he's blaming you for his problems because for him you're the perfect scapegoat, it's up to him to change and if he really doesn't want to then no one can force him to. Maybe if you leave he will realize what he's throw away and might work on changing and getting the help he needs. Anyway no one deserves to be treated like this, you deserve better. As much as I'd like to start dating again I want to get a better handle on my PMO problems first. Best of luck and you're the only one who can make the decision listen to what your heart is telling you.
     
  11. cvicious

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    Thank you guys for all your input, it's incredibly helpful in this tough time. This is really breaking my heart, I love him so much and I would do anything for him.. It's killing me that he won't do anything to keep me here, he's ready to let me walk out the door, and then gives me an excuse "I must want to leave"! That makes me so upset! How can he not see how this is destroying me?! I just want to see him try to change and he won't do anything to show me he's trying to change at all!
    I honestly hope he will change if I leave, but I don't want to even think that maybe we could end up back together again, it hurts too much to think that..
     
  12. One of the big effects PMO can give someone is brain fog and I'm not saying it's an excuse but it can and does warp ones sense of reality, clarity and empathy. It makes you depressed, confused, you can't remember things well, sometimes it just consumes me for periods of time kind of like an out of body experience. While I've never done the things you've mentioned he's done everyone is different but I'd say he's in real deep. Don't ever let him or anyone put that kind of blame on you. He's banking on you being too empathetic and folding. I left my last girlfriend for putting pressure on me to have sex but I hesitated for awhile like you are and it pained me but it was the right choice for me.
     
  13. cvicious

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    That's the thing that's getting me a lot right now, is how he's trying to flip this on me. Last night he tried to blame me for bringing it back into his life, and telling me I must want to leave... I got so mad when he said that, he doesn't care how he's devistating my life! I don't want to up root my entire life, I love him more than life itself and do everything for him. I don't want to be alone, I don't want to move, I don't want to start over! All I want is to be with him and to trust him and have a happy life together.
     
  14. I know it's hard to hear that coming from someone you love and care about deeply. In my experience my ex kept putting us in situations to have sex and I wasn't ready for that and still am not at present. She didn't understand the damage it was doing to me inside, I was tearing myself apart about it all saying should I wait and tell her no I need time or do I give into her and do what she expects of me. Ultimately it got to the point for me where I felt so ashamed for almost giving in that I couldn't stand my own self and I got depressed and anxious over it thinking how can I keep her without feeling like this. The answer was simple I couldn't and I had to accept that, she didn't want the break up and neither did I but it just became to unhealthy for me so I had to do what was best for me and I think in the long run best for her and that was to part ways. They say if you love someone sometimes you have to set them free and that's what I did. Now don't get me wrong it was tough for awhile but time heals the wounds and it will heal my PMO addiction. No one wants to be alone, human beings are social creatures by nature. I've been single for about 4 years now. Sure it pains me to see many of my friends, family and coworkers all in nice relationships and I feel like I'm all alone. But I let PMO drag me away from that and into the abyss without knowing it for so long, half the battle is waking up and realizing that the other half is fighting to win. But I know that if I can stay the course and prevail over this enemy then there is nothing stopping me from finding genuine love which is what we all want not pixels on a screen or anonymous flings. You're a strong woman and you can do it if you choose to.
     
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  15. DeProfundis

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    If he's not going to change his ways of thinking and doing, there's no hope of that happening. Time to make a fresh start.
     
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  16. cvicious

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    Thank you for sharing your story with me. It sounds like you went through this similar pain yourself. It's really sad to me that something like this can break up two people who are in love, I mean all I want is to trust him and believe that he has stopped doing this behaviour behind my back!

    I wanted to be a part of his recovery, I even offered to go to SAA meetings with him, I told him I will be by his side to support whatever he needs to do to get better, and he never let me in. He would only say that this is his problem to deal with and would never let me in on how he is feeling, what he's going through. I only wanted to help him, but I think I see now, first he has to want to help himself... And sadly I don't think he's ready to do that. I think if he's still willing to shift blame in me, than he's not ready to admit he has a problem and try to get better..
     
  17. I used to not like thinking about my experience as it lead me down the path to PMO but I've accepted it for what it was. It's a part of my personal history and I had to learn to accept that no matter how much it pained me and eventually I did.

    Rebooting in a relationship can be difficult for both involved I've heard some say it's easier and others say it's harder. For me I'd love to be in a relationship but I need to focus on bettering myself first, if I can't love myself and improve where I want to improve in life then how can I expect anyone else to? This is a season of change for myself personally I can feel it and know that if I stick to it even though there is a lot of work to be done each and every day I can chip away at it and slowly see the fruits of my labor. There's women in my life I'm attracted to and would love to date but porn has robbed me of my confidence and self worth and for a longtime I didn't realize that but I realize that now. For me I don't want to date someone because I feel lonely, drag them into this or use them as an excuse to relapse. My heart hungers for real genuine love someone to walk with, talk to, cuddle and just appreciate. But porn has changed my brain sadly to think constantly about women more of objects first then a human being and that pains me to say that. That is why I myself am staying away from a relationship till I know I'm ready whenever that will be. He has to have the right mindset and it has to be a serious one no half hearted measures will work.
     
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  18. kio_actualized

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    Oh man, I think I know exactly how you feel... I am on the exact same road. You're not doing this alone.
    "If you're going through hell, keep going."
     
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  19. Opportunity For Better

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    Sorry to hear what you're going through. He's definitely not being a responsible and loving partner. Are you married?

    BTW, and this is meant to help, not victim-blame, but you might want to look for answers as to why you have chosen these kinds of men (you said your previou ex was an alcoholic). You don't want to continue this pattern.
     
  20. cvicious

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    You're right, half hearted measures won't work. He needs to go full head with this, and it can't be because I asked him a million times and he just gave in to my demands, he has to really want to change which over 3.5 years we've been together be hasn't proven to be at all .

    Good for you for waiting to get into a relationship until you feel you've conquered this! It's not fair to drag someone knowingly into a situation like this, and I'll be honest sometimes I'm very resentful that my partner pulled me into this situation, sometimes I wish I never met him or fell in love with him...
     
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