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Relentless Flatline/PAWS - Dark times, the other side of the coin

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by Younameit, May 21, 2019.

  1. Younameit

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    Watch this video and tell me if this guy is bitter or "hates" women, you concluding that just goes to show you're an angry, negative mgtow
     
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    When did you start masturbating? At what age?
     

  4. Hey my brother thanks for the great post congratulations on your amazing 2 and half years. Its unfortunate what your going through physically. But I I totally agree with your point about using our sexual energy to create and go for our goals in life. It's TRUE. I appreciate your truths and your point about people complaining about their urges. I with you.
    Maybe I can give you a tip on getting back in the gym. I always feel it's a great start. I know you mentioned not having any "energy" to go but maybe that's the problem. You "feel" you have no energy maybe you should just get up and go just give it a try go to the gym this week and promis yourself no matter what your put in 30 min exercise. You never know your body might love you for it. Wishing you the best my friend
     
  5. WingedHussar-

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    Man...i am the complete opposite of mgtow. But when get into that game bullshit, you just replace your pmo addiction with the addiction to get women. Yeah, thats better, but still nothing to aim for. Most of the people who do game just want to get lays and that is just completely toxic and not what sex is meant to be.

    Did you notice that I actually dislike the all women are the same ideology?? So how can you say I am mgtow?

    But the fact that you posted like 7 posts shows me that you're butthurt because I shaked your biased worldview, so it will be just a waste of time to discuss with you. Stay with your game and see where it leads you in the next ten years or wake up and rise from all that bullshit to something way more meaningful. Its your decision. I am out of this discussion.

    Edit: and know what, I just came home from a bar trip and that one girl gave me so much attention, laid on me and always wanted to hold my hand and got closer and closer to me...and you may won't believe me, but I didnt do any of that manipulative game bullshit to reach that. I didnt follow a guideline from some idiot who is probably sitting at home 24/7 and writing stuff in the internet. I didnt follow any stupid escalation tactics. I just was myself and it turned out to be great.
    Just try to be yourself and dont act like other people ON THE INTERNET tell you to do.
     
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  6. Fenix Rising

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    I know it's hard to find energy to workout when you're depressed, because your brain wants you to stay inside your "comfort zone" BUT you have to force yourself to do it anyway. Depression/anxiety is so FU, because it kills willpower to do things you consciously know are good for you. I've been suffering from exactly the same problem for 2 decades.

    How to get out of your comfort zone when you lack energy to do anything? With baby steps. Small consistent and persistent doable steps in the right direction, so you don't get overwhelmed by the activity and do nothing in the end.

    How I get/keep going into the right direction when it's hard to convince myself even to get out of bed? Do something very easy to do that shocks your brain and switches your body functions immediately into survival mode. For me, that's taking few minutes of freezingly cold shower first thing in the morning. It's extremely easy but uncomfortable thing to do. All you need to do is to open water and embrace discomfort. It really works to snap you out of the I'm feeling blue" into "I want to do things today mode" as your brain interprets it as falling into freezing river scenario. Once you start doing it on daily basis, maybe even prolonging time under the cold shower gradually, you'll see that finding willpower to go for a run/bike/swim/gym... will become much easier because initial discomfort you experience every F... morning will be way more brutal than the pain induced by any type of exercise. It's a fact that no SSRI helps with depression better than 5 times a week aerobic exercise routine and as strange as it might sound opening cold water might be the ticket to achieve that overwhelming goal in the eyes of depressed person. Here are some scientific hypothesis behind it:

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/int...ld-splash-hydrotherapy-depression-and-anxiety
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17993252
     
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  7. Younameit

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    learning dating and relationship advice to get better with women and enjoy fulfilling and healthy relationships with women is the
    Dude.. WTF, keep some things in mind, as a man, you got several areas of your life that you need to keep in balance if you want a great lifestyle, you must have handled these key areas at least to some degree
    For instance, your financial life, your woman life, your family life, your social life, your physical life (hitting the gym, practicing some activity, whatever..), your social life, your recreational life, your spiritual life..
    there could be many more areas in a man's life, these are just a few that I remember from the top of my head. YOU NEED those areas, maybe not all of them at the same time, but you need some, like social life for instance, you're a human being and human beings are social animals, you need to get your financial shit together because that's the world we live in, you need money, you also need women because that's what you're biologically hardwired to do. That's it, no ifs, ands and buts.
    The most important thing in a man's life is his mission, you should always pursue your mission, this is your top priority, with that being said, being successful in one area but being terrible in another was not a path to long-term happiness, long term happiness should also be a goal in your life, and if you're not happy you won't be able to achieve your purpose in life fully.
    This whole porn addiction wouldn't even have happened if we were successfull with women, what you're saying is a fallacy because when you truly study game deeply you learn that we should build a life and women should only be a complement to a men's life, we don't put women on a pedestal, we don't put women in the center of our existence, that's BS, that's a lie you're throwing out without knowing what you're talking about. PMO is a drug, it's like cocaine and heroine, it's not natural and guys get addicted to it because they are escaping, if their women life were good enough they wouldn't resort to a sedative drug like porn, porn doesn't fulfill you, having real sex with real women is good for your body, for your health, for your mood, for your hormones, neurotransmitters etc.. it's what you're supposed to do, geting better with women is no different than getting better at business to improve one's financial situation.
    Just because some people who practice game do it for the lays it doesn't mean that's its sole purpose, guys who focus only on women are doing it wrong, and I did notice that when I found the pickup community, I observed this phenomenon. The community was filled with guys who were very successful with women, sometimes amazingly so. At the same time, most of these guys had completely screwed up financial lives. I found men who were unemployed or on government assistance were common. Men who lived on friends’ couches and went month to month with regular financial problems were not unusual, and those were just the younger men. Many of the older men in the seduction community I noticed were often plagued with failed businesses, projects that never get off the ground, bankruptcies, and lawsuits.
    Do you think these guys have the right mindset? No, they only focus on women and the other areas of their life are falling apart, crumbling, they have no purpose in life, they're just meandering, and I feel sorry for them.
     
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  8. Younameit

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    Just to give one example (there are dozens..), guy happily married for almost 25 years who applies game/red pill to his relationship, he's not anti-women, his relationship is not toxic nor any of the BS fallacy you claimed
     
  9. Younameit

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    Pat campbell also married for 30 years, christian endorsing the redpill
     
  10. WingedHussar-

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    Ok just to clear on more thing up.
    I never said that woman are not important in a mans life. Actually, one of my goals for the next decade is to find a good woman and have my own family.
    I am pro relationships and i know that a woman can be a nice addition to a mans life.

    BUT the point is, "game" teaches you the wrong things. It follows some rules and you have to stick to that rules according to the people who do game. But thats wrong on so many levels. Relationships are no games. You have to be what you are and not what some guys on the internet tell you to do.
    Besides that, game follows some really manipulative tactics.

    I like the self improvement part and all that, but not how these people view women. Its objectification and come on man, we are better than that.
     
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  11. Younameit

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    "BUT the point is, "game" teaches you the wrong things. It follows some rules and you have to stick to that rules according to the people who do game. But thats wrong on so many levels. Relationships are no games. You have to be what you are and not what some guys on the internet tell you to do.
    Besides that, game follows some really manipulative tactics. "
    Speak for yourself, you have this point of view which is disturbed and is not grounded in reality, I've shown 2 guys above (I could should dozens) who use and apply game in their marriages (they've been married for 20 years), and they have healthy relationships, game and dating advice is there to improve men's lifes, relationship management skills are required if you want a healthy long-term relationship, you need to understand yourself first and then you need to understand women psychology. how you use this knowledge is a different animal, it's like saying knives kill people, wrong! You can use it to cut steak or to cut people's throat, doesn't mean that the knife itself is wicked or evil.
    there's no such a thing as manipulative tactics, if you use a knowledge to fuck people's lives you're using it wrong, you're being manipulated all the time by corporations and by facebook, google, Television etc, marketing and propaganda use devious psychological techniques to incentivize you to purchase their products, is this good? bad? How about women who use make-up, hair, some use fake boobs you name it. Is this manipulation? I don't think so, they're just enhancing their physical beauty to raise their chances to attract the type of man they want. You getting better socially, learning how to create attraction, learning how to seduce women so you can enter a relationship and be happy in it, is this something evil? Of course not, it's stupid to claim such a thing.

    "I like the self improvement part and all that, but not how these people view women"
    Game has no negative view about women, I don't know where you took this from, mgtows have a negative view on women, if you like something and you work to achieve that something there's nothing wrong with it, if you're a salesman and you're not selling shit, you better learn copywriting, sales, human behavior, persuasion, psychology so you can sell more (Read this book called the boron letters, it's just an amazing book), if you're not good at public speaking, you better get good at it, that's how life works, if you can't attract the women you want, you better improve your life, your looks, your social skills, hit the gym, learn how to seduce and create attraction, it's that simple, just don't be a loser who plays video game all day, eat pizza, smoke weed and jerk off to pixels on a screen, this is escapism, this is wrong, this ain't healthy at all.
     
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  12. WingedHussar-

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    You seem to be a good man. I wont discuss it anymore because today I am going to start complete monk mode so I wont look in here anymore.
    You are one of the few non toxic people of the game society. But just be aware that there are some bad people in there.

    Have a nice time
     
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  13. Guys this debate on red pill etc is giving me piles.
     
  14. Younameit

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    You know what bro.. I decided to follow your advice, today was my first day in a long time (16 months away from the gym), I was only able to train for like 15 minutes, but it doesn't matter, I'll push myself through this no matter what. At the moment I'm taking more than 15 different supplements and they can only do so much, I can't sit passive waiting for something to happen, I've alreayd lost a lot of muscle mass in that time period and I can't afford to lose more. It's really an unusual situation for me, to work out in this stage, with no energy, zeal, drive, The memories I have are the ones where I was full of stamina training for 60+ minutes, I remember when I started in 2013, I would work out 5 times a week, and in the days off I would count the minutes left until I could exercise again. Now I find myself in the polar opposite, Life always surprises us.
    I can only describe this as if I'm being reborn, literally reborning is what best fits my situation, I don't know.. I think maybe that's why they call it reboot after all right? all my worldview have shifted and I think this changes our subconscious mind, emotional body, physical body, spirit and soul, I know that sounds deep but that's the only explanation I can find currently. Perharps we do truly need to go through this storm, like a butterfly struggling to push its way through the cocoon
     
  15. lofi

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    Dude that's scary to read that. I really hope that you'll get better. I'm sad because what if you will never feel better?
     
  16. I agree with you here. It feels like I lost my old identity and am in the process of defining a new one. As you say being reborn. Like I've been in a coma for years. We just gotta push forward man.
     
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  17. I agree.

    Exercise can really do wonders for paws symptoms, the benefits last for around 2 days but.....there is a extremely delicate balance of doing too much. The stamina just ain't there when you're in paws.

    Doing less is more if that makes sense.

    Diet is also something that can be worked on, even if it just means cutting out the fast food you have maybe once or twice a week, completely quitting caffeine (highly recommend this) and completely cutting out fizzing drinks.

    Even if these things don't make a massive difference you at least have the sense of taking control and you'll feel good about yourself rather than sitting around waiting to feel better.
     
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  18. Younameit

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    I'm getting better each day, it's just that it's slow, like I've been hibernating all this time, this season (winter) is about to end
     
  19. Younameit

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    Totally man
     
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  20. Younameit

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    it's like an altered physiological state, my body doesn't have the energy it should, what's funny is that, I can walk for an hour for instance (aerobic) and not get too tired, but when it comes to bodybuilding/weightlifting (which is a form of anaerobic exercise) I feel drained very quickly (it just took 15 min today)
     

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