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Discussion in 'Loneliness' started by Ag0208, Mar 10, 2019.
That was very well said
MGTOW stuff just randomly started appearing on YouTube for me a couple of months ago. I'm not even sure why I started watching it but I did. It struck me as stuff said by men who'd been seriously messed with by women and were angry, but I identified with bits and pieces, except if, gun to my head, I had to pick a label it would be "incel" which I identify with more, but is still pretty bad.
I mentioned MGTOW to my 2 most trusted co-workers (1 male/1 female) to get someone elses opinion. I said, verbatim " This stuff is bad but at least it's not porn" but cut down a bit.
Then something happened to me which made the Red Pill sink in a little more, and here I am depressed, damn near suicidal, about to be unemployed... But at least I know if I ever do pull myself together I won't be wasting time with women (who aren't family ) I'd rather just get on with it and if I die a virgin so be it.
Just be aware and do what ever the f u wanna do
Hey man hang in there
Have you read 'models' my Mark Manson?
Great book on attracting women. I'm half way through, and there's some interesting bits explaining what motivates the nice guy and bad guy mentalities, and how you can avoid becoming either.
I agree the PUA thing feels wrong, either it works on insecure women, or it doesn't work at all. And it's hard to rehearse all the 'tricks' and act it out.
No, I haven't heard of that book! Yeah, you can be good and not be a push-over and be confident without being bad. Finding that middle-ground is like walking a tightrope. The red pills talk about a type of woman called a "unicorn." A rare breed of woman who those pick up tricks won't work on.
Yeah that sounds like a woman who's confident in herself and doesn't have too many insecurities. They may not be so rare, I mean it's hard to tell depending on where we live, and if we mainly look online or in the streets.
Personally I've started noticing women who don't feel the need to dress to show off, and who don't look at their phone constantly, or make conversation based on complaining. They're out there man
Your best bet is to work on yourself so you don't have to try as hard to compete for her when you meet her. You're on NoFap, so that already puts you ahead of like 90% of men out there.
Stay away from that kind of sites. I recomend watching BasedShaman on YouTube, cool dude.
All sorts of interpretations in this thread.
The easiest thing to do is just larp as a bluepilled normie male feminist. I'm sure you'll have no problems turning in your Man card. Bluepilled cuck male feminists had nothing to do with building the Western world.
Its a cultural shock and an uncomfortable thing to go against the modern feminist primary social order. If you don't like being called names.
Frankly, as a virgin with PIED, I would not be able to go the red pill route! Imagine picking up a girl during a night out and then only to find out that you can't get it up? All that 'confidence', 'smooth talk' etc would make things even more embarrassing when it's time to have sex.
I think it's easier to find a GF (except if you're me!) and just reboot and see where that take you. I am not for one moment advocating getting a GF for the purpose of rebooting only (unless she agrees!), but this PIED thing is also an emotional thing. I believe if you're emotionally comfortable with the girl, then there's more chance of recovering.
I'm not sure how anyone can go about sleeping around when they have PIED.
My biggest issue with the MGTOW and the Red Pill movement is that they seem to come from a place of negativity. With MGTOW in particular, the strongest advocates are often men who have been badly burned in prior relationships. Understandably, their view on women and dating is colored by their past experiences.
Having gone through my very own Red Pill rage, my initial reaction was one of hopelessness where I thought that there are too few good women left. As I progressed in insight and knowledge from studying the MGTOW and Red Pill material, I started feeling superior to the so-called AFCs (Average Frustrated Chumps) and towards women as well. For a period, I even delighted myself on hearing post-wall women rants from the Tom Leykis show, that was the peak of my negativity. Needless to say, this negativity has caused a rift between me and my fellow human beings, this is what ultimately motivated a change in my attitude.
Now to add a couple of comments on the topic of dating. Here I believe it is important to establish a strong knowledge foundation and combine it with practical actions and healthy values. It is also beneficial to not subscribe to any particular camp of thought, here I would like to quote from Bruce Lee: "Adapt what is useful". Take PUA, for instance, although PUA (Pick Up Artist) techniques may seem effective to a certain degree, it is ultimately driven by a search for pleasure which as Mark Manson has mentioned, is a bad value. There are healthier approaches to the dating Game, one internet coach that stands out in my personal view is Corey Wayne. I know that many MGTOWs have a disdain for Corey after he disclosed his thoughts on the MGTOW movement, but many of his principles regarding the dating Game is still spot on. We then arrive at the MGTOW philosophies, as many people would agree with, one is not an MGTOW if one has not read The Rational Male. Newer coaches in the Red Pill scene include people such as Coach Red Pill which I have recommended to people in my circle.
Sorry for the long post. To Ag, if you want a relationship with a woman + kids, by all means, go for it. That is YOUR goal, you own it, pursue it with confidence and the woman of your dreams will be drawn to you. I consider myself very lucky to have found my NAWALT since a year back, she has shown nothing but love and kindness towards me, my life has improved drastically since my MGTOW days, a number of physical symptoms have disappeared as well. To reside in either positivity or negativity is a choice, choose wisely brother!
Fuck MGTOW and Red Pill - their brain is too brainwashed by Hollywood, social media and their own irrational thoughts. That plus they probably don't have the skills to handle life problems that occur in a relationship!
They're a shit movement.
Please explain? If MGTOW were brainwashed by Hollywood and social media they would be marching in lock step with all the rest of the bluepilled feminist normies.
Brainwashed as in the believe that 'the game' between men and women exists so prominently. Yeah, you might see it between teenagers and 21s or so, but generally if you're a half-decent person with another half-decent person, you would be able to handle any problems in a relationship without having to label the whole (or most of) of the opposite sex as 'players' or something to that effect.
Don'tyouknow, man? That's what it's all about. It's the playaz vs. the whores up in heeyah!
I took some glances at MGTOW recently and I will say just be informed. A lot of the info seems to want us to put 'blame' on someone.
Rather than making it an lifestyle of pointing fingers. I take from it other people's experiences and shared wisdom just to informed.
When someone says "Remove sex from an relationship and you will discover 90% of women have nothing to offer in relationships."
You will see people agree and start bashing women, yet I'm over here wondering about those remaining 10% women... what do I need to look out for if I wish to seek one of them?
Remove sex and it's nothing?
Well, apart from someone you can laugh with, fool around with physically and intimately, share your deep thoughts with, cry with, learn with, grow together with, etc.
Not all of those are adequately or appropriately filled by family and friends!
As I said, those MGTOW lot are misguided by their irrationality.