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Questions to have answers to before physically separating

Discussion in 'Rebooting in a Relationship' started by TryingHard2Change, Sep 19, 2018.

  1. TryingHard2Change

    TryingHard2Change Distinguished Fapstronaut

    How does a couple work on relationship recovery / marriage recovery ... if my wife seriously wants to pursue divorce? Or is at least strongly considering it?

    The trajectory we have been on is Relationship/Marriage Recovery can only happen (i.e. will happen and will be worked on) only once my wife makes the critical decision: does she want a divorce? or does she want to stay married and pursue reconciliation?

    She HONESTLY cannot say which choice she wants to make. I know 100% she does NOT want to be married to me...but I also know she fears divorce and how that will negatively impact everyone that she loves around her.

    So Relationship Recovery has been put on hold until that decision has been made.
     
  2. TryingHard2Change

    TryingHard2Change Distinguished Fapstronaut

    We found a CSAT in early January 2018...my wife saw her 4 times in January / I met with her 1 time in January before moving back to Europe.

    After moving home on Feb 2, 2018, both my wife and I saw the CSAT (individually..not as a couple together) until August 2018. I saw her probably around 24 times over that 7 months...my wife saw her maybe around 10 times over that time.

    My wife was introduced to the concept of Betrayal Trauma through that CSAT .. which was hugely helpful! But, the CSAT kind of turned on my wife..we both felt..and my wife stopped seeing her in late July 2018 after our Full Disclosure on July 1, 2018.
     
  3. TryingHard2Change

    TryingHard2Change Distinguished Fapstronaut

    Our posts crossed...Yes, I wholeheartedly believe that my wife wants a divorce -- and that was BEFORE I disclosed about the infidelity from 17 years ago.

    If feels like if my wife "had the balls" .. she would have filed for divorce months ago.
     
  4. Queenie%Bee

    Queenie%Bee Fapstronaut

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    Like she turned her on or turned against her ;) sorry you never know so I had to ask . Ok so I think that is the first time you have written or maybe that I had read that your wife 100% wants to divorce you . Ok atleast you are going to see the church person together , maybe something will come of it
     
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  5. Queenie%Bee

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    NOT TRUE . I had them they just hadn’t fallen yet .
     
  6. TryingHard2Change

    TryingHard2Change Distinguished Fapstronaut

    Turned against her...it was bad actually -- the CSAT was "taking my side" way too much. She was really MY THERAPIST..and the CSAT did not do a good job looking out for how my wife was feeling through it.
     
  7. Queenie%Bee

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    Because it was YOUR therapist. My therapist did not want my husband to be involved in my therapy . She saw me first and admitted she would be on my side ( not in those words )
     
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  8. Queen_Of_Hearts_13

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    Yes that's why a couples therapist Separate from individuals is best.... individuals are invested in their Client.... not the relationship... they are advocating for their client so my therapist gives jak a dose of reality when he comes to my session and same with his therapist... so couples therapists need to be separate from inidivual
     
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  9. mcgrim

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    Just one last perspective based on what you wrote here... Does she really know why she fears divorce? If she honestly can not say which choice she wants then I believe that comes down to more than fear. Perhaps deep down somewhere beneath the pain she doesn't want to leave? I can't say... only she can tell you and she may not know.

    I hope she can find a way to look deep in her soul and truly figure out what she wants. All you can do is be open and let her make her own choices.
     
  10. TryingHard2Change

    TryingHard2Change Distinguished Fapstronaut

    I think she doesn't know.

    She has told me many, many times over the last 16 months: BOTH choices she has in front of her (divorce or reconciliation) -- she sees nothing but pain for herself...it is a lose-lose situation for her she says.

    Nothing about staying married is appealing / nothing about divorcing is appealing (those are my words, my view of how she would put it). THAT is the stuck position my wife is in [since June 2017].

    She emotionally left the marriage back in August 2016 .. She has told me that multiple times (Aug 2016 was two DDay's ago). I think the idea of emotionally investing herself back into the relationship TERRIFIES her...completely terrifies her to the point where she is paralyzed and does nothing.
     
  11. TryingHard2Change

    TryingHard2Change Distinguished Fapstronaut

    I wanted to clarify those last two words..."does nothing" -- I mean that as it relates to Relationship Recovery.

    She IS doing stuff related to her own recovery from Betrayal Trauma..heavily involved in the btr.org website / talks to counselors / talks to close friends about our situation and her own personal recovery. Etc.
     
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  12. TryingHard2Change

    TryingHard2Change Distinguished Fapstronaut

    I need to update this: my wife and I just talked...I asked her if she had heard from our counselor at church..last week, we had tentatively scheduled for this week Friday to meet up again. My wife told me that the counselor emailed her yesterday; my wife said she only skimmed the email; my said that she did not respond to our counselor..she wasn't sure if the counselor was suggesting to meet with her one-on-one -- she didn't read the whole email.

    Anyway..so no meeting tomorrow with the counselor it looks like. (I emailed the counselor yesterday..the list of questions..waiting to hear back.)
     
  13. Queenie%Bee

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    YESSSS !!!!!!! This goes both ways 100% !!! If the PA is solely focused on recovery from PA and not her and the marriage recovery . FORGET IT . It’s a looong road of minutia * .
     
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  14. EyesWideOpen

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    You need someone to help the two of you communicate. About EVERYTHING. You two do not communicate well, at all, at least not from what I've gotten from you. You make a lot of assumptions about what she wants, what she's feeling, etc. And you make a lot of decisions for her, without even bringing them to her first. All of these are reasons you are where you are now. You have it in your head that couples counseling means 'lovey dovey', 'I want to fix my marriage', 'let's talk sex, intimacy and get close again'. Counseling is about learning to communicate with each other and frankly, you both suck at it.
     
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    Are you still seeing her? If you are, your wife probably sees this as a huge slap in the face.
     
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  17. EyesWideOpen

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    There you go making assumptions about what you think she wants, without really knowing - because she has not truly found her voice to communicate to you.
     
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  18. I feel exactly like your wife but it's because my husband isn't recovering but even when I still had hope that he would, I felt like this. It was a very scary place for me because I couldn't see a future for myself either way and I kept having thoughts on that I just couldn't go on because I had no good option. I feel better these days but not completely and still struggle a bit with these thoughts. I hope your wife isn't feeling like this. I'm very open with my husband and told him but it never does any good.
     
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  19. Queen_Of_Hearts_13

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    To back up what @EyesWideOpen said, if you are still seeing that counselor, that can be felt like another betrayal. Jak once was seeing a therapist that clearly didn't understand sex and porn addiction and was excusing Jaks behavior and blaming me, and when Jak told me that I was very uncomfortable with that therapist (if you could even call him that!), and Jak was too and decided to switch therapists. Had he not switched I would have distanced myself because I wouldn't feel safe with Jak seeing someone that blames the partner for another persons addiction.

    But yes, please do be careful not to decide for her. Actually that -depending on how the BT is with your wife- could make things worse.

    Remember you (addicts) made choices for us without us knowing. Part of healing from BT (in my opinion) is being able to be a part of decisions, and being able to make our own decisions. And sometimes the decisions we (SO's) make the PA won't like. But, to heal, SO's need to be able to be apart of the decision making process, it's helps us realize that lies are gone, and we matter, our feeling and opinion matter.
     
  20. TryingHard2Change

    TryingHard2Change Distinguished Fapstronaut

    No. I actually stopped seeing her (the CSAT therapist) .. and when my wife asked why, I told her that I lost trust in the CSAT therapist after how she treated my wife.

    I don't know if my wife found much comfort in that though...my wife definitely thought it was a red flag that I stopped seeing my CSAT (understandably). We found out at the end of August that we get brand new health insurance starting October 1st. And I looked it up -- it has MUCH better coverage for counseling...both cost-wise and the number of psychologist options. I started compiling a huge list of psychologists in my area..looking at each doctor's website..seeing id they have some sort of CSAT background..etc.

    I am finding a new therapist, for myself, to start right after October 1. In the meantime, I have gotten more active and more involved in my Celebrate Recovery weekly meetings....and they are starting a Step Studies mens group this month which I am going to participate in too.
     

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