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Premature ejaculation and slight "erectile dysfunction".

Discussion in 'Porn-Induced Sexual Dysfunctions' started by Deleted Account, Mar 23, 2017.

  1. It's probably PMO at foult, cos everybody says NoFap can't do that and blah, blah, blah. But sometimes it feels like it's NoFap that gave me PE and ED, not PMO. Because they manifested themselves once I started practicing NoFap. Sure there might be more to it. But I don't even know anymore. It just feels that way...

    Anyhow, I have a little rant to get out of me. And I am also a little confused. I could use some of your advises and opinions here guys.

    So, the first thing I noticed was that when I went for long time of not fapping my morning wood frequency decreased dramatically. When I PMO'd on daily I got rock hard wood almost every morning. But on Hard Mode for a while it stopped happening so frequently. And when it WOULD happen the strength of erections are not as hard as they used to be. I find this super weird cos usually people on NoFap report the opposite! What's going on here?

    Another thing is my erections while fantasizing about women/sex; they are also way softer. Sometimes you could even barely call it an erection. It was harder to get aroused tho from fantasies when I PMO'd daily, it happened rarely. Now that I do NoFap I get aroused way more often. And also more intensely. But while arousal happens faster, is stronger and lasts longer my penis is barely even erect like it used to be. One day I even got so aroused from my thoughts that I almost orgasm hands free and another day I actually DID jizz in my pants hands free just from a p-sub. And I did not even get a LITTLE BIT hard any of those times.

    I should probably note again that I am speaking of Hard Mode here. That's all I do; either Hard Mode or MO, or PMO. I haven't had sex in ages. But if I would I would probably have premature ejaculation and erectile dysfunction combined. Meaning, I would ejaculate before I menage to get erection, or fully erection. But when having sex wile also PMO'ing almost daily sure it would take me longer to get erection but I would have very strong one and I would last for decent amount of time with a woman.

    Sure I get that when one does not release for long periods of time one is more sensitive, sounds normal. But my thing is going to extremes! I've read many success stories from other guys who do not even MO for months and they have strong erections and lasts decent amount of time when they get laid. I'm sure I could do that too if I empty my pipes before that. But some people don't HAVE to. And I don't want to either cos that would decrease a lot of the pleasure. Yea I know that people's bodies are and work differently and heal differently, etc. But this all bothers me! Why one guy can go Hard Mode for 6 months, get laid, get really hard and last for long time while another can last for long time and get really hard only when MO'ing?! If he would go Hard Mode for 6 months and then get laid he would have ED and PE?

    I am not saying PMO gives one hard erections. I am thinking I could simply last longer because my pipes were not so full. But what DOESN'T make sense is why my erections are less intense and frequent.

    What is going on here? Is it simply a part of healing process? Do I just need more time? Longest I've gone Hard Mode was 80-something days. And over 90 days without MO. And quite a few 15 - 30 days strikes afterwards. Will my body eventually adjust? Or am I simply one of those people who can not perform properly because my body just stores way more sexual tension naturally? Anybody experienced this? Something similar? What was your results? Did it go away or changed with time?
     
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  2. Everything you mention sounds normal to me. If you MO often your body will adjust to that. It sounds like some sort of flat line symptoms you are describing. I am currently at day 45 and all I see down there is a lifeless little worm. No morning wood whatsoever. Not even a wet dream. I am starting to make some calculations as to how many sperm cells I must have accumulated by now. I wonder when it will explode.
     
  3. It starts about one week in Hard Mode, always. And it lasts as long as I go before I relapse. Longest it lasted was my longest streak on hard Mode: about three months. It just doesn't sound like flat line to me. Because it's pretty much permanent after week or so in. But I might be wrong, I don't know. The thing tho is arousal level is constantly high, sex drive is high, fantasies coming in my head, etc. It's just erections are way less intense and sometimes none at all when there should be big one, cos my arousal is super high at that moment. Hmm.
    Did I maybe misunderstood what flat lines are? I thought it's when one's sex drive goes down by a lot? I mean that's how people describe it on this forum.
     
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  4. overclocked

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    Hmm. Whenever I would fap my flatline symptoms would ease for around 4 days after the orgasm, then the flatline comes back. The only thing that really helps me progress is nofap on hardmode.
    Let's say my sexual health in a number from 1-10 is 4. By fapping I might get to 6 for a few days. But I would return to 4. However, if I do nofap for a month, I might reach 5 permanently. Another 2 months and I would reach 6 permanently. So be patient.

    Please be more critical about your approach. Watching P-subs should be a no-go and treated as a relapse, same with excessive fantasizing and edging.

    There is another possibility for your situation. I heard when you don't have sex for a long time your sexual desires can grow weak. Maybe it's time for you to rewire. Do you have a gf?
     
  5. Well, I guess it's just a flat line huh? A permanent flat line for as long as I am on Hard Mode. :confused: I guess what I thought was flat line was wrong huh? I was thinking it is more like a cycle that comes and goes occasionally rather than what seems to be for me a permanent thing. And that it always comes with loss of sexual drive and stuff. I guess not. o_O
    Don't have a gf right now. But they are not weak. They are pretty damn strong. It's just that my erection is weak, not a desires or arousal.
     
  6. Jai kerketta

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    I really appreciate your approach. On the journey to NoFap, when you cut off the PMO from your routine, which has been a source of emotional alignment to your subconscious mind since decades in most of the cases I see here. When you suddenly decide to go out of your path and opt to quitting PMO, what's actually happens is a void being created at your subconscious mind. So in order to fill that void, you need to start some positive habit like working out, meditating, reading, self cooking, socializing, quit smoking/ drinking, fulfilling your sleep. Otherwise your driving force will be your void. On a short note you got to open a door for improvement. If you just quit then wait and watch, its gonna make you stagnant. You got to begin to live your life more passionately. Get yourself busy.
     
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  7. overclocked

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    I'm not sure. Unfortunately we don't know much about the science of porn addiciton and recovery. So we have to rely on experience, broscience and even esoteric teachings (which is broscience as well).

    I think the flatline is subjective. My flatline now is much less of a horror than when I began my reboot. It's still a flatline, because it is very far from a healthy state.
    Lately I have been reading a lot about sexual gung fu (yes that's a thing) and one author wrote something really interesting:
    I feel this bankruptcy analogy is correct. I percieve ups and downs as well, but looking at it from the distance, there is an average that is increasing with time (higher ups and higher downs).
    So cheer up, because you have saved much more than me. The day I can get an erection from thought alone is the day I will throw a big party. You have to be careful though. It seems you still have to save a lot and according to our sex kung fu master even thinking about sex movies drains us.

    Unfortunately libido alone is not enough for a healthy sex life, it is a poor indicator of progress and often addicition urges are confused with libido.

    @Jai kerketta I feel mindfulness is a very good tool. If you learn to get inside your body and understand what your urges are made of and where they come from you can save yourself from relapsing.
     
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  8. I don't think the saving analogy works for me in this case. Cos, like I said, if I PMO my erections are great again and I don't have PE. :confused: The more I spend the more I have, the more I save the less I have? What lol? o_O

    This is a good advice. But I don't see how exactly this relates to my PE and ED problem?
     
  9. overclocked

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    Well as I said I experience the same thing. My fear and my impatience has led to many relapses. I accepted the fact that I have to play the long game.
    How are you when you have fapped? Would you say that then you are in a normal, healthy state?
    If yes: try rewiring. If no: keep saving.
     
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  10. Jai kerketta

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    @Shugi Shugi , when you have reached far way enough, you got to understand this creative fluid. This elixir needs to be mixed with the intelligence of your body. The body should be in a position to transmute that energy to rest part of your body. There is enough energy in this fluid to crack the bones. While you have already enough storage at your prostrate, this should be transferred to rest part of body by all means. In other case it would be huge pressure at the softest part of your whole body and as per my understanding which might be the cause in your case. You can refer chapter 11 of the book Think and grow rich pdf by Napoleon Hill. It focus on importance of transmutation.
     
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  11. diddykong

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    It could be that your sexual responses are still wired to porn. That does sound quite a lot like PIED (you can't get erections unless you're watching porn). Maybe you just need more time? You're doing hard mode for a year, maybe see how things are after that?
     
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  12. I can get erections if there is physical stimulation. It's just that there is so much arousal down there that I prematurely ejaculate before I even menage to get hard. If I could somehow hold the O back then I could get hard no problem, but I would still have PE so that erection would not last long due to that. It's just that through fantasies that I seem to not be able to get erection. Because it's like my body is skipping step two (erection) and going straight for step three (orgasm). Also morning wood is almost gone and not so intense. So at the bottom of it I think it's the PE that's the problem. Of course the fact that I have shitty morning woods and almost no erections from fantasies alone is still a weird thing. And a little bit scary one. But my biggest problem right now is PE I think.

    So you're saying I would not have PE if I would transmute that energy into creative endeavors and move it into other parts of my body rather than leaving it all sitting down there? It's interesting, I've heard of it before; the Chi exercises to move energy away from genitals and in the body to nourish the brain and so on. Hmm. Maybe I should take that stuff more seriously and start applying it and doing some Qigong exercises.
    I don't know. What is according to you a normal, healthy state?

    When I fap I feel relaxed and at ease. My mood get's better too. I don't feel any shame or regret afterwards. So yea, I feel quite happy and I guess you could call it a positive state. But at the same time I later feel a little bit drained and out of energy, no motivation, procrastination sets back in, etc. Nothing major that could not be overcome, but still something I don't like to lose. Plus there is danger that it might snowball and I would go back to my MO addiction, and overdo it.
    What exactly do you mean by rewiring?
     
  13. overclocked

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    RL sex.
     
  14. Maybe you should see a urologist? Either that or the equally logical option of consulting YouTube for videos about how to dam up your soft dick semen life force leakage.
     
  15. I doubt they would be able to help with this...
     

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