Porn and Serial killers

Very interesting post, thank you for sharing. Bundy was very psychopatic and one of their core characteristics is to always divert the blame away from themself. The key word here is ALWAYS. With them it is always their wife, their child, their parents, their abuse, porn, that made them do that. I have never heard of a full blown psychopath to give away the truth unless it was to trade it for extra benefits. Those people often take the truth to their graves and even minutes before death they are plying the blame diversion game without a blink in their eye. What you will never ever hear is them accepting the responsibility for what they did or feeling guilt and remorse for their actions. Even though they may say they are sorry ... they never are .... It is all part of manipulation as people with no conscious and no feelings can not feel true regret and guilt. Emotional words without feelings behind them are always dishonest, even before death.
And what is the best lie ever? It is the one that contains some truth in it!
What Bundy said is true in every shape and form but very much talks in the cause/effect way typical for psychopaths. He did a masterpiece painting himself as the victim but it only forms part of the picture. What he did not say is that he loved what he was doing and given a chance he would do it all again! I agree he was addicted to P and the real life stuff but he never wanted to give it up. All he wanted was to carry on and on. He conviniently forgot to mention that...

In reality I do feel very sorry for them. I heard that they do those things to feel alive. They do feel something very unplesent inside.... that is noting.... and murdering and causing sadistic pain makes them feel better for a while, it numbs their internal pain of not feeing anything. I am imagining they are the ultimate case of internal disconection but they do not have that part most of us strive to connect to: feelings.
Geting stuck in such paterns is simply hell on earth.

I agree that porn has contributed hugely to what he did but but his personal make up was what made him act out in the end. Porn does contributes enormously to the growing number of deviant behaviours, rapes, sexual disfunction, social anxiety and isolation, hate towards fellow human being and broken families but the number of people crossing the line into serial killing is relatively small.

Serial killers and rapiests existed way before porn was invented. Jack the Ripper if he was real never had access to any of those materials and yet he ended up doing as Bundy did.
Psychopatch are the breed on heir own
and they always caused huge destruction, those who did not turn criminal made quite a good living in the wars, executioners or as prison tourture guards.

Also it is estimated that between 1%-4% of current population is psychopatic and nowadays everybody has seen P! Or nearly everybody unless you live in complete isolation away from civilisation. Yet those psychopatch do not turn into serial killers and rapiests. I am sure James Fallon has seen P and did not end up on a death row. Whether they do or they do not depends on the mixture of their individual characteristics constitutig their psychopathy and how far on the spectrum they fit for each. And there is always the element of a personal choice we all make. Have you noticed how most people from the killed to the killers paint themselves to be victims?
What is lacking hugely in our society is the element of owning up our actions, thoughts and behaviours. If we had that, most of our problems would be sorted regardless of external polutions.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_serial_killers_before_1900

I would be very keen to hear of your research findings though. I am sure they would be very interesting. And yes, porn is the huge monster that should be eradicated but so are drugs, alcohol, smoking, violence in games and movies and news, but we long lost the track of how our brains would have been without those pollution.
I think P is a just another symptom of a much bigger problem and not just the cause of it.

 

@RJ_McReady Wow O.O I didn't know that. Thanks for sharing. I'm having a difficult time and this is good motivation to say no to porn forever.

 

Thanks for posting @RJ_McReady - I never realised this.

 

I think we can safely say that porn did not help!

 

Yeah you do have somewhat of a point. It's no wonder that mass shooters such as the one at Virginia Tech, the Colorado 'Batman' shooter, and even the young Elliot Rodger who ALL had something in common: they can't have a meaningful sex life. And given the fact that they can't get laid....which is truly sad. At the same time, they are having extreme difficultly finding their own sexuality with the opposite gender. This frustration and built-up anger is similar to a ticking time bomb that's about to explode. So I can see why that all of these killers are misogynists. They hate women only because it's something that they know they can't have. Most of this is due to inner conflicts, very low esteem, a weak support system, a bad environment growing up, and more.

I feel kind of bad for these killers, but at the same time, I don't know if you're suggesting that ALL serial killers have a link to pornography. I do believe the ones that are misogynists are. However, I don't fully agree that most people who watch porn have the mind of a serial killer more or less. If that was the case, than all of the millions of people on this earth who watch porn daily is affected. Do all psychopaths watch porn? Maybe and maybe not. However, that's only a small fraction of the population and I believe these so called 'human beings' have very complex psychological disturbances in themselves that's far beyond their association with porn.

Having said that, I would say most people who watch porn have inner conflicts that reflects the many men and women in our society that live normal lives. Furthermore, killing others is the last thing their mind, but I don't blame them for holding in so much frustration. Is this enough to kill someone? Probably not. Just remember, psychopaths and serial killers have lost their touch with reality, and they don't know right from wrong. They have no fear whatsoever; this is because they can't experience it.

And it's not because their inner conflicts that are linked to porn, but because of their severe psychological disturbances that is incomprehensible to the minds of 'normal' everyday people who look at porn. They on the other hand, have much less severe abnormalities. And luckily, these porn addicts can change themselves; serial killers cannot. In conclusion, do I have believe that porn has a contribution to the behaviors and actions of serial killers and psychopaths? Yes, but a very tiny bit of it. If that was not the case, then all of the millions of people who watch porn would end up killing someone. Therefore, I don't think porn is mostly linked to serial killers and psychopaths, but it's more linked to the struggles of people who have everyday problems. And a majority of the time, it's within themselves.

 

Ikr... it's a scary thought. And it seems the education sector does not care at all. With no warnings about the bad effects porn has. I believe if anyone told me in 6th grade that porn causes ED, depression and changes sexual tastes I would have never watched it/ stopped watching it.

 

Education alone will not help here. Look at the cigarette box and the warning on it, it does not stop people starting smoking or continuing to smoke knowing that it can give them cancer. The problem of knowing that something is bad for us does not stop people from using that stuff ...we all think: "It will never happen to me" or "I will be fine" or "I do it only today, I will stop tomorrow"

I think most of us need to learn the hard way, get hurt and recover to trully know.... and P will always be there .... but the more of us come on the other side and leave PMO the better.... and if there is no demand ....

So every single soul counts. By making the right choice for ourselves we are infact making the right choice for the humanity.

 

It's a real issue and how long are the governments going to let kids be exposed to this at an early age. I remember seeing my first porn vid at 11 or 12 and I was hooked. And it was tame compared to todays stuff. We need to do something and quick.

 

Many people do things despite knowing it is harmful. However I and many others had no chance because we thought porn was harmless. I kept watching until my first time with a real girl when I noticed my body does not respond as I expected.

 

It's a very interesting debate and one that could fill an entire forum for days. We should always remember that Bundy had a lot of other problems beyond porn use. We'll never know how they might have affected him without porn, or indeed whether they were a big factor in him watching porn in the first instance. However, there are certain things that we do know from our own experience, and the experiences of many other men.

When I was a teenager, there was no Internet (at least not here in Australia anyway). I didn't see my first video until I was 16, and even then it was something from the 70s that wasn't nearly as explicit or extreme as what we see on the Internet today. I was using magazines for my P fix back then -- but they were generally softcore and weren't able to be accessed that often. In fact, most of the time when I MO'd back then it was to a fantasy my own mind cooked up about various girls I knew when I was that age.

Interestingly, my own fantasies back then were also a lot tamer than the porn we now see. In fact, it's fair to say that there's been a certain "corruption" of my porn viewing tastes in that I've watched things that would have held zero interest for me back when I was a teenager making up my own fantasies. It's a little bit like someone going into business with the intentions of maintaining ethical behaviour, but ultimately doing things they swore they would never do just to make more money. I (and many others) needed a bigger hit of dopamine to satisfy my brain, and hence the move to harder and harder porn.

In addition to this, I've also spent time in chatrooms talking about some pretty messed up shit with some pretty messed up people. These weren't necessarily things we saw in videos, they were more like an escalation of videos we had already seen. Now I can say honestly that I was always content to keep this stuff in the realm of fantasy, but the truth is I don't know what the people on the other end of the chat were doing. It's quite possible that they simply fapped themselves empty like I did. In fact, it's entirely possible that a modern-day Ted Bundy could fap himself empty on the variety of today's porn and not kill anyone. It's also entirely possible that people like this would become more motivated to commit horrendous acts.

Ultimately the question comes down to what we can do about it. We know that porn causes all sorts of problems, and we know that porn tastes can escalate into degenerate and possibly dangerous areas. But what can we do about it? In recent years I've visited two countries that have tried to regulate Internet porn with filters, and seen how ineffective they are. I'm now convinced that Government intervention just won't work. The demand for porn is simply too high, there are simply too many ways around a filter, and too many sites that it just won't block.

What's needed is education. We need to inform people of the dangers of porn. At school I received drug and alcohol education, and while that won't stop everyone, it stopped me using drugs or alcohol. I never received any warnings about porn -- it was just something nobody discussed, even though we all knew it existed. Hence I stumbled up it relatively innocently, with no inkling of the damage it might cause. I can only imagine how it must be for today's youth, who stumble upon more extreme and varied forms of porn that I did -- and probably at a younger age.

 

You're right of course, but ultimately we can only do what we can do. I guess one of the positive things about our situation is that having made the mistakes with porn, we now have the opportunity to help others. The nofap community is generally a positive force, and we've started seeing trashy magazines and websites taking cheap shots at this community -- that means we're doing something right.

Your children will be very lucky to have a father who has seen the damage porn can do, and can impart to them the lessons that you and I never received as children. I wish you all the best.