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Porn and gender trouble (specially appreciate Catholic response)

Discussion in 'Porn-Induced Sexual Dysfunctions' started by egoerro, May 16, 2017.

  1. AllanTheCowboy

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    You're being scrupulous about the wording of prayers. God knows the intention of your heart, and does not catch you out on technicalities. That's the enemy you're thinking of. Language also doesn't matter, for this same reason.
     
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  2. mondays_suck

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    Not really. If i feel tired while getting up, i have a choice to stay or to get up which i defined as an action. But no matter what i do about that i will still feel miserable until warmed up.

    When i started the porn adventure i had different view on what sin is. Now i was given the information by the church and other sources, and i gotta tell this might have affected my actions when i jump back and forth between porn, women and purity, but the fact that i always feel hyped up before and miserable sexy stuff never changed. And it never will, the feeling is still there, tamed, not supressed, i dont think about not pmoing, and i dont think about it when i am horny. Actions change, feelings remain. Of course what you suggest that actions alter feelings, which is true. This is why i am sort of a happy person now. Trust me there are still people here who decide to stay in bed for a day, because they feel that tiredness. And only that, no reason to act.
     
  3. egoerro

    egoerro Fapstronaut

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    Well, perhaps I'm however, I still mostly identify with traditionalist perspective of faith, I'm attending mass administerd by FSSP (look at them if you don't know already, great men!). Now I'm for more than a week of porn, however my anxiety is going on, for first time in my life, and I'm still worried as fuck.
     
  4. egoerro

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    I think you got lion bit a bit wrong, I'm not hoping to die or anything, I'm saying only that If I in the end really have gender dysphoria and not only porn problem I will not act on it in any way but accept suffering. Only logical solution for Catholic.
     
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  5. mondays_suck

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    So true, if you seek logic in faith.

    Anyway, have you ever considered clergy? I mean, it is an option, I have never undestood why gender and orientation imbalance is considered sinful in advance. Lust is a lust and it is wholly animal-inherited, that way or another. Being a man, that is genetically XY, makes you qualified for clergy, and by its definition, being one you can abandon your dilemmas, the matter as a whole becoming obsolete. And you will be closer to God than ever.

    Did I just say that gay men can be priests and even go to heaven? Yes, I did. Burn me at the stake.
     
  6. Billster

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    Hi,
    The deeper the porn worm hole the darker the desire. First things first- stop the porn. Get a A/P partner and go day by day or sometimes moment by moment. I have no doubt that when I fanatisze in my porn "mind" and masturbate to images I block. The contact with God. It's hard to be spiritual and have any contact while holding my d@@k in my hand. The longer the harder to get a fix. From off color porn re: transwoman, sissy , interacial. To eating my own semen it just takes more and more.
    Give yourself a manageable challenge - 5 day - 10 day
    Whatever works for you.
    Good luck
    Bill
     
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  7. egoerro

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    I have considered kind of monastic wows in Order of Malta. and no, orientation is never consider sinfulnin advance, actions are. However it is objectivly dissordered and make you unfit for priesthood. However, I still hope that it is porn induced and that I will "return to normality"
     
  8. egoerro

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    thankfully nobody noticed yet. Im now 8 day without pmo.
     
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  9. Oh well that's good if you don't think anyone has noticed yet. Remember that you notice more about yourself than anyone else does probably. Fapping will make you self-conscious. Oh also I remember from my gym going days in college when I roomed with two meatheads... they say testosterone peaks every 7 days if you're not beating off. So... you're probably experiencing some intense hormonal fluctuations right now that you're not used to because in the past you've PMOed enough to keep them from happening.
     
  10. mondays_suck

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    Now I realized that we agree on that part.

    And I was unfit for professional swimming, with my small palms and feet, that I cannot change. Still managed to pull off some success. It would be extremely difficult for them to become, but not impossible. Then comes the fact that each fallen priest is repelling people. I doubt the good outweigh the corrupted. But imagine how strong the charism of a person who succeded would be.

    That would be much easier, and I wish you that. Alas, we dont know.




    That's the most basic aproach, works 99/100.
     
  11. Well I'm certainly not just being one of those guys who goes around ranting with the Nike motto, "just do it." I want to clarify that.

    What I mean is that there are a lot of different symptoms and stages of rebooting. I think in a lot of these extremely troubling situations, like flatlines or HOCD or gender confusion in the OP's case... it's often helpful to remember the goal. The problem started with PMO and eventually ends with never doing it again... so once we establish that as the reason rather than something else, it's easiest to just press on. Otherwise you can think of dozens of problems as dozens of different problems in need of dozens of different solutions if solutions even exist. Much easier if you can think of them as all subtle symptoms of PMO that can be cured with one new habit that just takes time to sink in and take effect.
     
  12. mondays_suck

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    Yes, of course, I understand that. I also stated that it's basic, not easy. You can't just do it. You can just keep doing it until it works. Russian engineering, all you need is a hammer, and one more hit so it would fit.

    I spent a year on that. Ultimate goal is still there, and I change this and that to see if it works. And I hope that this damn time I am prepared well enough to survive the 4th week.

    Btw is not flatline just a male period?
     
  13. egoerro

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    I first heard about flatlines. What is this exactly
     
  14. It's when in the middle of your reboot, you seem to have little to no sex drive. Might stop getting morning wood, feel tired, not care about females, etc...

    Pretty scary and unfamiliar feeling, but it goes away eventually.
     
  15. egoerro

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    I haven't reached that yet tbh
     
  16. Hi
    I more meant that we don't put our faith to the test.. i know you're not here, but I know I sometimes thing 'oh if I mess up i can pray my way out of it".. oh i'll edge a little bit no worries, i won't m, because I can always ask God to help me.
    I know this is not right, but sometimes I find myself unconsciously acting this way...
     
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  17. egoerro

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    indeed. We shall also pray and hope that God will gives what he know we need and not what we think we want.
     
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  18. mondays_suck

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    Of course I did not. Shit!
     

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