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being religious doesn't mean all religions and all religious people are the same but you guys seem to think so. and yes atheism does is a unified belief - a belief there is no creator, and yes it does lead to a certain type of immorality or valueless nihilism.
Western countries have started numerous wars and killed millions in the name of secular democracy and radical egalitarianism - which in its current form is actually pretty darn oppressive - in most of the EU, you can be jailed for simply being a vocal opponent of the secular ideology of the state.
I see.. so the Amish and Quakers are horrible christians because they don't kill people... and their passive non violent nature comes from something other than the teachings of Christ?
so if we could just eradicate religion, mass killings would cease... that's what the atheist communists were thinking when they killed over 20 million christians and destroyed thousands of churches and religious art. how did it work out?
Did you read that you said? You said said they were killing over 20 million christian as if they were getting rid of them. It isnt just random mass killings (Im not supporting the killings tho)
they were 'getting rid of them' clergy and churches and many believers because they were Christian and refused to renounce belief in God and Christianity.
They're a tiny minority.
Yes it would certainly lessen the bloodshed.
I don't think so. In the name of some sort of a political agenda, yes. In the name of "athiesm"? When? what does that even mean? Athiesm implies there is no "name". It's not like athiests belong to some sort of cult. A-thiests refuse the idea of this cult so you can't really group them into anything. You keep saying nonsensical stuff over and over.
first thing Mennonites and 7th day Adventists are not a tiny minority but again it complete refutes what you are saying.
You don't seem to know a lot about geopolitical conflict and its origins. Most warfare is tribal not religious - that's why Dawkins was lambasted by historians and political scientists of all stripes when he blamed religion.
You're refusal to educate yourself about an area you are so quick to make absolute judgements is sad.
Atheistic communists believe that the eradication of religion and belief in God was necessary for their new order. It came directly out of their belief that there is no God.
Atheist can indeed be grouped and they group themselves "brights" 'humanists' and certainly strong belief in atheism can provoke violent and aggressive and anti-social behavior - public atheists in fact, are known for this. You can say the pope is hypocritical for preaching love and unity but atheists openly preach eradicating religion from public life.
Atheist killed Christians who believed in God because they would not renounce their belief in God. If Christians would kill atheists because atheists did not belief in God, would you give them a pass? I think not.
Whatever, first it's communists, then it's communist athiests and now it's athiests. If they were communists then that's all there is to it. The fact that they were athiests is besides the point. Communism was their motive not athiesm. Or is there a "geopolitical" issue here that we're not aware of?! Did Richard Dawkins publish a book about it. Stop going in circles.
Not beside the point at all. Their belief that there is no God and therefore religion is bad caused them to persecute people who did belief and destroy any symbolism of belief, like religous art and churches.
They did not murder these people because of communistic belief, but atheistic ones. They may have murdered aristocrats because of communistic belief, but not poor clergy, nuns, monks and lay believers, which they did in droves.
Even if this is all true, they did this because they were communists and communist regimes have little room for religion. In fact, your argument of geopolitics applies so well here. It was all politics and nothing to do with athiesm because athiesm implies that don't confine your thinking to any particular dogma and therefor have no agenda, only wisdom to the shit that is religious belief and everything it compasses and all the false hope and misery it brought and continues to bring into this world. Meanwhile every religion's foundation is the premise that through it and only through it can one find the "way" to heaven/forgiveness/love bla bla bla and all the others are crap and must be annihilated completely. ISIS mass killed people of the "wrong" sect. The catholics and protestants fought for over a century and still are at a cold war status. I could go on and on but you know all these things I'm sure, but you learnt to block them and not think about them and instead blame politics or geography, which although sounds like a promising explanation is in fact a ridiculous argument and fails to address the main issue and motivator for all this conflict. Failing to see this is being in denial.
oh so thinking THAT way wouldn't effect people's behavior at all. They wouldn't try to eradicate religion or religious people. You seem to think atheism is the 'pure faith' that leads to non violence.
I see, but it doesn't apply to say Nazi era germany where they clearly stated their reasons for objecting to jews (as an ethnic group by the way) which had nothing to do with their not believing Jesus or wearing funny hats or anything else. It had everything to do with their perceived disloyalty and betrayal of Germany and their perceived undermining of German ideals.
..and ethnic differences- a far better indicator for potential conflict than religion - or economic scarcity or competition for resources... , i 'blame' human nature if anything.
kind of how we feel about radical egalitarian secular democracy vs. monarchy, dictatorship and any other form of government that isn't a secular democracy. We go into other countries, topple their governments install a secular non-religious or often anti-religious government often against the wishes of the people, topple and destroy their symbols - remember the footage of the Saddam statue falling over and our media gleeful? Or us blowing up swastika's in berlin after WWII (BTW funny how the movement you claim is christian chose a non christian symbol to identify it, must have been part of a secret code.. it's really a cross!) .
And you call yourself an expert on geopolitics?! The US is anything but a secular government. George Bush (who was responsible for invading Iraq) said religion is part of our foreign policy. You clearly know nothing.