1. Welcome to NoFap! We have disabled new forum accounts from being registered for the time being. In the meantime, you can join our weekly accountability groups.
    Dismiss Notice

Nudity In France

Discussion in 'Off-topic Discussion' started by AUTiger7222, Dec 25, 2018.

  1. AUTiger7222

    AUTiger7222 Fapstronaut

    I had no idea that nudity was so widely accepted in France. Saw a French commercial showing topless women taking a shower. Makes us Americans look even more prudish than we already were. Me personally, a little nudity never hurt anyone, but most folks here act like it's death. If America was more like France we would have less sex crimes. I fully believe one of the reason sex crimes in America is so high is because from the moment we're born we get covered up and folks flip out about the tiniest bit of skin showing anywhere. Folks don't know how to handle seeing a nude body in this country. Women are grossly shamed for breast feeding in public even though that's the only reason breasts exist. Why is it such a crime in this country to see a woman's breasts? Why is that such a big deal? It's just skin, flesh. It shouldn't be a big deal. In France it's not. There's topless women all over the place. People are used to it and they don't flip out about it. They don't have to deal with the voyeurs like we deal with here either. Idiots here act like they've never seen a woman's breasts before and go bat shit over them (good or bad). Why? What's the big deal? Yes, I love looking at them but dang, if I saw them all the time then it wouldn't be that big of a deal. Seeing them doesn't cause me to lose my manners and common sense and turn into an animal. I've just never figured out why it's such a crime to folks. They're just breasts. Big whoopied doo. Learn some self respect and respect others. I say free the beasts!! Stop being a prude!

    I'll tell you this, I am very self conscious about my body, especially my equipment. I'm so worried about how I look and measure up down there that I sometimes get stage freight just using a public bathroom with another guy in there. have never seen another guy naked in person before. I'm so afraid of them seeing me and making fun of me. It hurts my confidence when dealing with women as well. I have such low confidence dealing with women and a big part of it is because I'm worried about them seeing me and making fun that I'm not big enough. But I tell you if I had grown up in the kind of environment where nudity was accepted and I saw my peers naked and realized we pretty much all look the same, I would have a much healthier respect for my body and much more confidence.

    Body shame is one of the leading causes of teen suicide in America. The reason for that is all we ever seen are porn models. No one ever sees real people naked. Real, normal, everyday people. So many folks (kids, teens, adults) have this unhealthy attitude about the way they look without actually knowing that their body is normal and beautiful. If America was like France where public nudity was widely accepted then the cases of kids hurting themselves because of body shame would be almost wiped out. There's always exceptions, but we'd be in a lot better shape. I hate seeing beautiful young women that think they're fat. That just pains me because they're not fat. They're beautiful. They're normal. It's normal to have a little body fat. God gave you body fat for a reason. It's to protect your inner organs and to keep you warm because when God created humans he made them naked!! Our bodies and skin are made to be able to keep us warm in the winter and cool in the summer. Wearing clothes screws that up to a degree because your body's natural abilities are being screwed up. Yes clothes do protect in the harshest of weather. But most times clothes are unnecessary. Plus clothes puts even more body shame into us because of the different styles and such that some people can't afford. That builds up more negative body imagery.

    Overall my point is pretty clear, there are a lot of issues in America that could be solved if nudity was accepted instead of shamed. So many issues. Folks would have much more self respect for their bodies and that ensuing confidence would spread to other areas of their lives. If you don't take anything else from this thread, take that lesson that I mean what I say in good will.
     
  2. bibi666

    bibi666 Fapstronaut

    23
    28
    13
    Hello,
    I am french, living and working at Paris.
    What you say is interesting. Weinstein's gate has had a large echo in France.
    We have issues with women nudity in public transport, because of certain type of men or community that are thinking we are still in the middle age. But I think this is better that it was 10 years ago, because at this time, nobody was talking about that. Women should do and dress how they want without be harassing by stupid/pervert men.
    Maybe our country is more "open" than yours (I have never been in America, I cannot compare), but we still have to improve women protection against these bast****.
    I would be so happy to see women with total liberty of dressing.
     
  3. AUTiger7222

    AUTiger7222 Fapstronaut

    America is the most prudish country that I can think of. It's awful. It wasn't until the 2000s that they allowed a woman's bare breasts to be displayed in a TV show and even then it gets a ton of outrage when it happens. Commercials and such showing a woman's bare breasts like you see in France are not allowed here. Nude beaches are few and far between. You never see a topless woman at home on her own property.

    If I had to guess, I'd say America has the highest rate of teen suicide and so much of it is driven by a lack of body image, especially from girls because they think they're fat and ugly. The reason they think that is because all they ever see is fake women in porn and in advertisements. They never see normal women naked so they don't realize how beautiful they really are. Like I said, I've never seen another guy naked in person. The whole thing about showering in school after gym class stopped in the 80s and early 90s in America. We don't even have open showers in health clubs and public swimming pools and places like that.

    Everyone is prudish. They think that a young child seeing his mother or father naked is the worst thing in the world. If I'm ever lucky enough to get married and have children then I hope my wife is more open to nudity and letting the children see both of us naked that way they grow up feeling comfortable in their own skin with no body shame. I sure wish I would have had the opportunity to grow up like that. It would have helped me out tremendously. So many of my body image issues could have been avoided.
     
    Deleted Account likes this.
  4. Weird method, u will destroy ur kids by doing this and they won't respect u at all. Kids dont need to see naked humans. When they reach puberty u have to explain them one or two things, but showing a naked body is a bad idea, u will just traumatise them and lose ur dignity.
     
  5. It's true that Americans are prudish; a professor told us about having to pull nude art out of his book when publishing it in the US market.

    However
    citation needed
     
  6. AUTiger7222

    AUTiger7222 Fapstronaut

    This is exactly what I'm talking about Science has proven that this is false. There is research out there from people that grew up in environments where nudity was accepted and they have more self confidence and respect than those that grew up in environments being completely shielded against all nudity. There is no proof whatsoever about what you claim, none.
     
  7. AUTiger7222

    AUTiger7222 Fapstronaut

    Here's a lot of articles talking about the links between teen suicide and body shaming being one of the causes.

    http://www.cfah.org/hbns/2013/body-image-tied-to-suicidal-thoughts-in-young-teens

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/body-image-issues-and-teen-suicide/

    https://www.medpagetoday.com/pediatrics/parenting/1152

    https://www.revelist.com/us-news/teenager-committed-suicide-after-cyberbullying/6103

    https://paradigmmalibu.com/body-shaming-needs-end/

    https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrit...t-commits-suicide-in-front-of-family-w453464/

    https://www.goodtherapy.org/blog/teen-suicide-attempts/

    https://www.thenational.ae/uae/health/body-image-pushing-girls-to-attempt-suicide-1.431796

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/health-...theres-a-serious-problem-with-britains-girls/

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/06/060606224541.htm

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/05/090520064349.htm

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/04/health/suicide-adolescents-traffic-deaths.html

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/kesha-attempted-suicide-over-dr-lukes-body-shaming

    There's more than enough evidence to back up my claim about body shame being one of the leading causes of teen suicide. Now as part about the God part, that's a matter of person beliefs and I believe there is a God and that he created humans. If you disagree with that then it's fine. I've got no problems with that, but that's not the point of the thread. So let's don't get off track of the point of the thread.
     
  8. First of all, you deserve some praise for at least trying to dig up some sources. Having said that, they don't support your claim I'm afraid. Some of the articles talk about specific cases - irrelevant. The one from Telegraph mentions childhood abuse and mental illness as causes, not body shame. The rest seem to point to a single study which correlates suicide attempts with obesity. There are 2 problems with that
    1. Correlation doesn't imply causation. Whatever causes obesity might also cause suicide attempts.
    2. More suicide attempts doesn't mean more suicides. For example, women make more suicide attempts but men kill themselves more.
    So no, nothing you provided proves that "body shame is a leading cause of suicide". The idea to show your dick to your kids so they don't kill themselves is hilarious, I lol'd when I read it.
     
    hardowner and Yep u do like this.
  9. Mattsfreedom

    Mattsfreedom Fapstronaut

    Americans are prudes? What about Saudi Arabia?
     
  10. CH3RRY

    CH3RRY Fapstronaut
    NoFap Defender

    429
    1,653
    123
    I come from this exact environment you're talking about. Here in my country we have saunas everywhere: homes, apartment buildings, public swimming places list goes on. We obviously go there naked. Kids go with their family from a very young age, friends go together, couples, randoms too. In public swimming pools people are walking around naked in dressing rooms, showering and then going to sauna naked. There you can chat with others and just relax. School kids are also taught swimming lessons in these swimming pools so the kids see each others naked. Ofc kids can be mean and mock others but usually they got respect if they've been raised right. I absolutely support what you're saying, seeing others naked removes the "specialty" of being naked. It's not anything special, it's normal and natural. Seeing other people naked makes you realize how many different kind of bodies there are, there's no normal or abnormal body. Overall it also teaches respect and confidence. I'm proud about my culture. We're gutsy people, not pussies who are afraid of seeing other countrymen just being naked. No big deal.
     
  11. IGY

    IGY Fapstronaut
    NoFap Defender

    4,259
    26,293
    143
    I am from England. My younger brother (by two years), is very much like you. Yet I am quite different. I feel confident and I am comfortable being nude or using a public urinal. Yet we went to the same school and we showered with our classmates naked and had the same cultural influences. But even as a middle aged man, my brother still cannot stand at a urinal as he finds in too exposing. My point is that maybe it is your personality that has shaped you, rather than your unfamiliarity with nudity.
     
    AUTiger7222 likes this.
  12. IGY

    IGY Fapstronaut
    NoFap Defender

    4,259
    26,293
    143
    This is interesting, CH3RRY. Scandinavia does have a reputation for a much more mature viewpoint about nakedness. In my view, nakedness is not necessarily erotic. When I used to watch porn, :oops: I searched for nudism sometimes. There I found videos of nudist colonies or holiday sites where all the patrons were naked, kids and adults. However, I was not aroused. It just seemed very natural to me, people doing holiday activities, sans clothes. It is the context of nakedness that makes it sexy or not.
     
    AUTiger7222 likes this.
  13. Gotham Outlaw

    Gotham Outlaw Fapstronaut

    579
    3,902
    123
    Same here
     
  14. CH3RRY

    CH3RRY Fapstronaut
    NoFap Defender

    429
    1,653
    123
    Ok this is some sheltered thinking. I've seen my parents naked a million times when I was kid. It's natural, how in the fuck am I gonna lose respect for them over seeing them like that? Why is this such a big deal, there's nothing special or holy about being naked. Kids won't think of it as anything, but these adults who are so scared with the idea of nakedness are sure to be uncomfortable.I understand that elsewhere in the world, people just aren't used to it, but saying it somehow negatively affects children is absurd.
     
    AUTiger7222 likes this.
  15. In some countries, being naked means having no clothes on. France is one example.

    In other countries, being naked is associated with sex and is therefore frowned upon. The USA is one example.
     
  16. AUTiger7222

    AUTiger7222 Fapstronaut

    Wow. That is nowhere near what I said. Congratulations for completely missing the point.
     
  17. AUTiger7222

    AUTiger7222 Fapstronaut

    Exactly. But what I'm saying is that nudity shouldn't equal sex. When that happens you get the crap we deal with here in America.
     
    Mordobarn likes this.
  18. AUTiger7222

    AUTiger7222 Fapstronaut

    USA.
     
  19. AUTiger7222

    AUTiger7222 Fapstronaut

    Thank you. This is exactly what I'm talking about with this thread. I wish I had grown up in that kind of environment. I know for sure I would have a whole lot more self confidence and that would have helped in my relationships with women.
     
  20. AUTiger7222

    AUTiger7222 Fapstronaut

    That is a good point. But I think it would have still helped me to grow up in an environment where nudity among my peers was common.
     

Share This Page