Non-Ejaculatory Orgasms, How To Practice?

Discussion in 'Abstinence, Retention, and Sexual Transmutation' started by TheCrazyThingIs, Jun 29, 2018.

  1. TheCrazyThingIs

    TheCrazyThingIs Fapstronaut

    I came across the concept of karezza, dry orgasms and multiple orgasms for men a year ago, but at the time was locked into my PMO addiction cycle, so didn't pay much attention.

    Reading up on it on here and from articles on Google though, this definitely sounds like something I would love to experience. For me, sex is about connection, and porn and ejaculation break that connection. I have successfully had sex like this a few times, but have had no idea how I did it (I think I was on drugs at the time).

    I understand that achieving something like this would take practice, but I am a little worried about practicing by myself - as every time I touch my penis it usually ends in pornography, or ejaculation, neither of which are something I desire. I wish to have orgasms with a partner, but to not lose any of my energy.

    So, my question is, how can I put this into practice by myself? I have read articles that say to practice by masturbating alone, but I'm scared to do that. Is there anything else I can do alone that would help me achieve this form of sex with a partner?

    xoxo
     
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  2. Julius93

    Julius93 Fapstronaut

    Does it really work? Can someone confirm it?
     
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  3. TheCrazyThingIs

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    Well, I went ahead and tried it anyway for the sake of satisfying my curiosity. I have had sex a few times before where controlling my breathing and such helped me have what felt like an orgasm but without ejaculation, so I have had a little experience in this before.
    I achieved something very similar to orgasm, it was rather pleasurable - not as pleasurable as a ejaculatory orgasm, but still quite fun. I enjoyed it, and considering no semen was lost nor pornography watched I would say that this is not a cause to reset my counter. Now I know that I am capable of this, I think I can build on it day to day to try and achieve multiple orgasms and longer lasting ones.

    xoxo

    There have been multiple claims to this working from people both on here and on Google. I personally think it works, and it works for me, and I feel that with practice this could be an incredible thing to experience.

    xoxo
     
  4. Julius93

    Julius93 Fapstronaut

    How does it work? Teach us, master.
     
  5. TheCrazyThingIs

    TheCrazyThingIs Fapstronaut

    Haha, I am no master. I attempted today, and it was quite good and fun, but I do not have enough practice and sadly, it resulted in a ejaculate orgasm and a reset of my counter. There is plenty of info on Google (search "Non-ejaculate orgasm", "Karezza", "Multiple Orgasms for Men").
    I wouldn't recommend if you are serious about not masturbating or having an orgasm though - if these things will result in a rest, then just practice kegels and slowing your breathing with a partner.

    Good luck

    xoxo
     
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  6. Julius93

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    I have done some searching. I was also interested in how to achieve an ejaculation without orgasm, but could not find anything useful. I can understand the breathing part, but kegels are a bit tricky. What basically happens is that you "ejaculate", but that you use some muscles (PC muscles?) there to prevent the semen from "leaking" out.
     
  7. TheCrazyThingIs

    TheCrazyThingIs Fapstronaut

    Exactly! And thus you benefit from an orgasm without losing the benefits of semen retention.
    Something I am interested in is karezza, having sex with a partner without ejaculation. Ejaculation tends to be the end of sex, so imagine if you could just be having sex with your partner over and over again for hours and just not have it finish, yet still experience intense pleasure with them? That is a goal of mine, as I love the connection experienced when I have sex with someone. It is deep and meaningful and in my opinion one of the most beautiful things you can share with another person. And I'd rather not have that connection severed by ejaculation (or porn!).

    xoxo
     
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  8. Julius93

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    The idea of karezza is interesting, but it's not something I really want. I don't think that a lot of women are willing to have sex in that way all the time. Even if you "finish", you can still go for some more rounds. The later rounds last longer than the early ones. I understand that not everyone is capable of doing it.
     
  9. TheCrazyThingIs

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    Oh I am capable of finishing and carrying on, but it just aches after awhile and if I do have a second (or even third) orgasm with ejaculation, it is very disappointing and just leaves me tired and drained. I have experienced something karezza-esk in the past with multiple partners, it has been rare but it has happened, where I have just kept going, and had an orgasmic time, just without finishing, which was amazing.

    I would much rather have continuous, pleasurable, and deep sex with a partner than a wham-bam-thank-you-ma'am (or monsieur). Sex is best before ejaculation, after it's just a drone.

    xoxo
     
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  10. Julius93

    Julius93 Fapstronaut

    Why are we even talking about this? This is not something that needs to be dicussed. It just needs to be done. Why are you on NoFap if you are practicing this on yourself?
     
  11. I can kinda confirm it. I did have some dry nocturnal orgasms before which made me curious on this. So I looked into it and started to practice it when masturbating. I used the kegel flexing and breathing techniques as recommended and had partly success. Felt tingling to move up my spine and had partly dry orgasm. Lost control mid O though and ejaculated. But that was proof for me that it does work.

    Still n00b at this myself so can't give you any advice. But I am sure I could master it with more practice. For now I am abstaining, so no MO. But in few months I will get back to it for sure. Would be cool to have O without feeling drained.

    I am studying works of Mantak Chia. I do not believe that it is possible to fully avoid ejaculating in initial stages of learning. There will be times when we mess up. But to maximize the chance of success it's probably good idea to make sure we are prepared with strong kegels and proper berating techniques. I am planning to master those separately before actually attempting to apply them for the purpose of O without E.
    :emoji_kiss::emoji_kiss::emoji_kiss:
    Why not talk? This is retention forum section? It's kind of meant for things like these. I am planning to practice this too in few months again. Does not mean I will stop being on nofap. Nofap is mainly about abstinence from porn, which I ain't planning to get back to.
     
  12. Julius93

    Julius93 Fapstronaut

    This is a bit triggering..
     
  13. TheCrazyThingIs

    TheCrazyThingIs Fapstronaut

    N'aw, you a sweetie. Thank's for the advice! I'll check out Mantak Chia.

    xoxo

    Why are *you* talking about this, if you don't want to?

    xoxo

    ... wow :I

    xoxo
     
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  14. Julius93

    Julius93 Fapstronaut

    I want the real deal.

    ?
     
  15. Jonny123

    Jonny123 Fapstronaut

    I think this is quite dangerous in terms of avoiding porn - For me PMO are all linked. If you want to re-set yourself to healthy sexual attitudes ( ie for me in a loving relationship) then (in my opinion) you need to let go of the obsessional quest for the orgasm
     
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  16. Roady

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    This is my opinion as well.
    I see guys here are talking about achieving multiple orgasms.
    Sure, who doesn't want to have orgasms all day?
    I know what it is to have spiritual orgasms. It gives the brain even more dopamine. It's the most addictive stuff I know.
    And it's not without danger. It opens the spirit for stuff you don't want to have in your life.
    What's wrong with normal sex with the spouse? Shouldn't that be the most wonderful and energizing thing that is given us?

    SO my opinion about the stuff discussed here: It's still about greed. And we should all get rid of our greed (for lust).
     
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  17. Julius93

    Julius93 Fapstronaut

    We want to have as much pleasure as possible.
     
  18. TheCrazyThingIs

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    In my opinion, "normal sex" is of course very fun, but it is far from energizing. When you ejaculate, you lose semen, and thus you lose energy and become very tired. For me, this tiredness does inconvenience my life. I created this thread more out of curiousity for non-ejaculatory orgasms than a greed for orgasms. But imagine having sex with your partner, sharing that beautiful experience with them, and having an orgasm... and not losing out on the benefits of semen retention. That, is amazing.

    I am not encouraging anyone to masturbate, ejaculate or watch porn with this thread, but I do believe that sex can be so much more than it is, without draining you of your own life energy.

    xoxo
     
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  19. Roady

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    If the normal sexlife isn't energizing, something is wrong there imo.
    You may practicing "spiritual orgasms" as much as you want, but I'm sure you will regret later.
     
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  20. If you find that triggering how are you ever gonna get out of your house and walk down the street... :emoji_confused:
    You indeed do that, honeypie. Chia's stuff is pretty damn good!
    :emoji_stuck_out_tongue:
    I get your point, guys. If we focus too much on pleasures of flesh and do not pay enough attention to love and connection with our partners then it is just another addiction. And it can be just as destructive is some ways.

    But at the same time not everybody here wants to become intentionally anorgasmic monk either. Maybe some do. But I personally think it's about balance. I don't see anything wrong with a little bit of lust. There is a healthy state of desire for that. As long as that lust is practiced with control and balanced out with some real connection. We are sexual beings and I would argue suppressing that part of us is not healthy. Unhealthy not just for our body and mind but also for our soul and spirit.

    Orgasms and sex are fun, sure. And it can be used as powerful tool to connect between two people. More longer, intense, enjoyable sex and orgasms can be even more powerful tool for connection. That's the whole point and philosophy of Tantra - taking lust and transmuting it into connection and love between two people. Going beyond just mere love and connection, but to a point of complete unity with each other. It's sexual alchemy.
     

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