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Need the SOs and PAs opinions & advice

Discussion in 'Partner Support' started by TryingToHeal, Nov 16, 2017.

  1. TryingToHeal

    TryingToHeal Fapstronaut

    So I am realizing that I am hung up on something lately that is making healing harder for me.

    It seems that a lot of people here, and that I've read about in books, the PA had a porn addiction long before they met the SO. My husband did not. He looked at it occasionally, but was not addicted.

    We have been together 15 years and his addiction to it only started in 2016. At that time his use went to daily, then to twice daily, and that lasted between 6 months and a year, not exactly sure, I think around 7/8 months. Prior to that, he says it was every few months, or a couple of days here and there, that he went really long periods of time up to a year without it at all, but he would always end up looking again. He knew how I felt about it since the first year of our marriage, and he chose to do it anyway. But to me, the infrequency of it then (a year or a few months in between times) means it was not an addiction at that time.

    Here is the hard part for me, to me that indicates that this wasn't some addiction that he had before we met and where I can understand that he isn't doing it to hurt me, that his brain is changed from it and he is driven to do it. I get people do things when they are addicted to something just to feed that addiction, it is the way addiction works, and he did a lot of those things but only in 2016, never before that. To me he chose to do it before that point. And he chose to do it knowing it would hurt me. And he chose to do it every single time during those 15 years until in 2016 it became more frequent and the addiction formed.

    How do I get past that? It seems like it would be easier to heal from it if I could say his actions were caused by an addiction he had prior to me, and me getting hurt was a side effect of that addiction. Instead, I feel like he chose it knowing it would hurt me, not that he was compelled to do it because of an addiction and hurting me was the side effect of that. Or am I wrong, and that is an addiction, even with the huge gaps in between where he wasn't drawn to it?

    TL;DR - My husband became addicted to porn after we were married many years. He knew how I felt about it prior to becoming addicted and he still chose to do it, infrequently until 2016, when it became an addiction. That feels like he knew it would hurt me and chose to do it anyway, instead of it being an addiction that hurting me was the by product of. How do I get past that?
     
  2. TheRoadGoesEverOnAndOn

    TheRoadGoesEverOnAndOn Fapstronaut

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    My husband's therapist says that it's still an addiction even if they're able to go for long periods of time without. We're in the same boat; he used it occassionally while single but heavily before he was caught. It's not a reflection on you or your relationship, but I understand how you feel. :(
     
  3. Kenzi

    Kenzi Fapstronaut

    My SO main point of addiction is my fault.
    It happened after we were married too.
    He was addicted in his first marriage.
    He used porn as a teen.
    But it became out of control because "I gave him permission" as I had no issues with porn or masturbation in the relationship, originally.
    I had no idea PIED would try to kill us. I think if it's a habit....
    Even occasionally, it's a spark just waiting for air.
     
  4. anewhope

    anewhope Fapstronaut

    Hi @TryingToHeal

    My behaviour was very similar to your husband's, so perhaps I may be able to help. Until I quit this year through NoFap, I'd been a user of porn all of my life - from finding discarded magazines in my teens, through buying them off and on and building up a stash. My interested pre-dated my first girlfriend and was certainly there before my wife and I got together 30 years ago. For much of my life, my use of porn was 'under control'.' Though we had different tastes, my wife and I would sometimes even read magazines together as a prelude to sex. The arrival of the internet and the fact that my wife and I have different sleeping patterns giving me time alone in the mornings sowed the seed for more frequent and exclusively solo 'using.'

    For me, there was a gradual change over time from occasional use, to regular use, to a habit of using, to full-blown addiction. As the use went up, so did the secrecy. At every stage, I knew that my wife would not like my PMOing, though we probably only rowed about it two or three times. So every time I indulged, I knew I was doing something she didn't approve of. But it is a difficult habit to break, whether you are doing it every day or every few months and on each individual occasion you can rationalise it: 'If I cover my tracks, she won't find out and so I won't be hurting her.'

    Your post was all about when your husband transitioned from not being addicted to being addicted - effectively when it changed from being a free choice to being a compulsion. From my experience, I don't think that is really the way it works. The urge to look at arousing images is always there, but it is the life circumstances that dictate how often the addict indulges. In my own case, it was only this year when I suddenly had more free time on my hands that my usage went through the roof and it became obvious, even to me, without a D-day, that I had a problem I needed to address.

    So as @TheRoadGoesEverOnAndOn suggested, your husband may have been addicted all along, or it might have been a gradual transition from habit to addiction. In either case, addicts are on a slippery slope where they are tempted by the thoughts 'well just one quick one won't hurt.' and 'all men do it.' and eventually circumstances lead to escalation.

    So please don't think of his escalation as a conscious decision to hurt you. This thing has its claws in the addict for years, more than forty years in my case, and ironically it is only when it escalated to an obvious full blown addiction that I could clearly see the need to stop. It is easier to ignore, dismiss and hence not address when it is a low-level habit, so it stays there and festers, biding its time.

    I hope that ramble helps.
    ANH
     
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  5. TryingToHeal

    TryingToHeal Fapstronaut

    Thank you for posting. It does help to know that others feel this way as well. I'm sorry that you are also experiencing it. It's helpful also what your therapist says, I didn't really think of it that way.

    I never thought of it this way, either, but that makes sense. I like the visual of that a lot, thank you.

    I like what you say about the life circumstance dictating how often you indulge. At the time that this became an addiction, my husband changed shifts at work. Instead of us going to bed together, like we always had, he went to bed alone and he woke up alone and left for work. He said he felt lonely, he never expressed that to me, though. Also, he didn't get a rating at work that he had worked very hard for and felt he deserved. His mood changed after that. I thought his change was only related to the work stuff, so I was just kind of waiting for that to pass, didn't really address that it could be more than that. Also, around this time, he went to his doctor and was told he had low T. I'm not sure how, he didn't have the symptoms of it. It was barely low on the test, but he did not have anything else that would indicate it was low. Anyway, she gave him a high dose right around this same time. Then later, even though he tested in the normal range and was having some symptoms of too much T now, she upped his dose by almost double. We didn't notice this change in dose until later after he had been on it a while. But he says during this time, even on the lower dose, he felt like a ravaged teenager again, always wanting sex. It was much more of a focus for him then. I don't think that excuses things at all, but I think that had something to do with it as well.

    Thank you. Sometimes I do think of it that way, because he knew it would hurt me. We talked about it, he told me he wouldn't do it. And he wouldn't have hid it if he didn't know it would hurt me. That's just hard. He did say he didn't think I would find out so he didn't think I would be hurt by it. He didn't realize all the other problems P can cause.

    Yes, it does, thank you.

    Thanks all of you for your help with this. The responses do help me see things differently. Each of you gave me something different to think about, so thank you again. And if anyone else has anything to offer, I'm all ears.
     
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  6. Once again I totally agree with @anewhope and everything he said is very-very similar with my experiences and what I wanted to tell you!
    I'm wishing you to have a total healing of your trauma!
     
  7. Maybe he did both. He used before he was addicted despite you not wanting him to. As his use progressed he became an addict.
     
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  8. TryingToHeal

    TryingToHeal Fapstronaut

    Right, that is what I think happened. But that makes it harder for me to get over and I'm not really finding resources that help with that. Like an addiction is one thing, it does something to the brain, but everything before that wasn't addiction. We talked about it, he knew how I felt, he did it anyway to the point that it became an addiction, or at least that is how I view it. That seems like a choice to me. And it is making it harder for me to get past this whole thing... the part before the addiction is a bigger hang up to me than the addiction. I don't know if that makes sense, sorry if I'm not explaining it clearly.
    What I got from others here is that maybe it was always an addiction, but just the frequency was less. I don't know. Just looking for something to help with the healing. I want to get over this.
     
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  9. TheRoadGoesEverOnAndOn

    TheRoadGoesEverOnAndOn Fapstronaut

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    It might help to consider how far technology has come too which feeds the addiction. My SO had a couple videos on his computer that he downloaded through AOL back in the day, then came high speed, then came smart phones. It's a lot easier to be addicted when you can reach for your phone rather than buying a magazine, waiting for downloads, or however else they got it before.
     
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  10. TryingToHeal

    TryingToHeal Fapstronaut

    Yeah that's true, but 2015 vs 2016 isn't a huge difference, that's the time from in our case. 2016, addition, everything before not.
     
  11. Learning about betrayal trauma and PTSD might help. @AnonymousAnnaXOXO and @Sadgirl habe posted threads on these topics.
     
  12. Hopefulgirl

    Hopefulgirl Fapstronaut

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    I haven't read other responses so I am sorry if I am repeating others. This has been something that I have had issues with as well (our situations are eerily similar). I think when the behaviour starts after marriage it cuts into our self esteem more because of the rejection. I asked a therapist about this via video (If I can access it online I will PM you with it). She said that regardless of when the behaviour started, that there was always a mismanagement of emotions by the PA. So before the P use it could have been alcohol, working a lot, over eating that the PA did to escape from emotions. Somewhere along the line there was shame as well about sex (overly religious home etc as a child) that made masturbation and porn even more taboo. When the PA first accessed P it was to escape and the shame about sex sort of cemented the behaviour in the cycle of usage. I know it is hard to conceptualize-believe me I know, but if you can think of this logically I hope it can decrease your pain at least a bit. Take a look at my journal-I posted feelings very similar to this not long ago. I get it.
     
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  13. Broken81

    Broken81 Fapstronaut

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    He and I are pretty sure my hubs 'habits' became an addiction when situation allowed and stress played a huge factor. There had always been porn use and M in my husband's life. But not much chance to use a lot. For example, in our first 5 years of marraige he worked away most weeks but never had internet or a smart phone. Working long hours and sleeping in communal quarters.
    It was when we had Wi-Fi and he started working from home.... It quickly became a big problem.
    However, his dad was an alcoholic and his mum struggles with gambling. Over the years if he has had to lay off porn (like a cruise or family holiday), he replaced with drinking heavily. I believe he was predisposed to addiction. I'm sure that if porn hadn't been so easy to access and easier to hide, that alcohol would have been a far bigger problem than it already was.
     
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  14. TryingToHeal

    TryingToHeal Fapstronaut

    Yeah I know all about that, unfortunately. And I'm definitely experiencing it, it sucks so much. Thank you.
     
  15. TryingToHeal

    TryingToHeal Fapstronaut

    Thank you for this @Sadgirl . We had a huge talk last night (I put a little update in my journal, not a good day) and he actually mentioned a lot of what you said here... he grew up Catholic, shamed about sex, and liked P because of how taboo it was and the more taboo the better. He also watched it so he would know what to do with me, I was the first person he was with, at 23. The thing is, he continued that on after, even projected the P onto me for years. Even when I'd tell him I DON'T WANT THAT, I don't like that, whatever, he still thought I did because of what was in P. He watched it to find out how to please me better when I didn't want that. I liked what he did on his own, I didn't like anything he tried to force from porn. It's a mess. I made the mistake at looking at some of the stuff, and I'm just repulsed. Can't even look at him now. Anyway, yeah a lot of what you said is true, thank you.
     
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  16. TryingToHeal

    TryingToHeal Fapstronaut

    Yeah, I see what you mean. The circumstances did change, he had a lot more time to himself with the schedule change. I get that part, I'm less mad about the PA, more mad about everything before it. I know that is weird. Knowing it was probably always there, just needed the right circumstance to flare up does help. Now, I just have to get over the actual things he found attractive. It literally made me throw up yesterday. Ugh.
     
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  17. GG2002

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    Hi there I am an ex of a PMO addict and while my ex entered our relationship with the addiction he had no need to use porn in his other serious relationships and never had ED with anyone but me, that really stung and hurt my self esteem. Two things addiction is a progressive disease and addicts are amazing liars, and they lie a lot to themselves. Take binge drinkers for example. For years they only get drunk once a month and function normally but almost all binge drinkers eventually become full blown alcoholics. It’s the reason a substance is used, meaning it’s used to cope mot to have a good time and the inability to stop. Frequency does not necessarily define addiction. What I am saying is that his disease would have progressed whether he was with you, with no one or with someone else. Second he is likely under reporting how much he used pre you, not on purpose but many addicts rewrite history I hope this helps a bit.
     
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