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Muhammad Ali on interracial dating

Discussion in 'Off-topic Discussion' started by Ra's Al Ghul, Jan 1, 2019.

  1. I said the kids BLACK CULTURE would reject him. I said my family would accept him. Read the comment. I only said "he wouldn't look like his aunt's, uncle's, grandparents, etc" I never said anything about us not accepting him.
     
  2. This is true, while my liberal family would be happy to accept my mixed child, would he identify with our Okie culture? Would he feel like an outsider at a family reunion? I don't know. I want a child who feels a sense of belonging. I would do everything in my power not to have him/her not feel "other" but I would be afraid that that would be the default.

    Black people are known to reject mixed people as "not black enough." I've seen it in person. So his default culture would me my family's.
     
  3. ClaritySeeker

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    This is completely racist, you can't say it's not, sorry. Come up with whatever excuse you like, that word is racist. You're just so far down the racist rabbit hole that you don't even realize it :eek:
     
  4. That doesn’t really make sense to me. The government didn’t invade their lands, “settlers” did. Of course the government compounded the problem later on but not originally.
     
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  5. And this is a problem.
     
  6. DogDaysOfLife

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    @SomeGymBro: Have whatever criteria you like, but half-black people don't have much trouble integrating into majority society. If they can't integrate into black cliques in school, oh well, and their families may not be as judgmental as you'd fear.

    @NothingMoreNothingLess Less: eh, mutts are good dogs, and mainstream American Judaism is essentially a social club at this point. Whatever pressure once existed for them to marry other Jews is gone. Exceptions are in Israel and Haredi communities (you know those traditional types who wear all black, don't shave, and barely work). Your point about how people naturally segregate is what makes me think we won't be all blended together within a few generations. People will make their own choices and I see no reason to socially enforce them with anti-race-mixing messages.
     
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  7. I see that point but without the backing of government or military forces the settlers lose. Many of them did and if no calvary or professional fighting forces were able to sustain conflicts, many tribes (because they aren't all the same) would have probably prevailed. The problem with a hunter gather type people vs a agrarian civilization with a government is that sooner or later the native soldiers have to go back and hunt/take care of there families ect. Their tribe and way or life depend on the people doing the fighting. There isn't specialized division of labor. All the adult men capable of fighting are also required to provide nessecities to the well being of the tribe. Governments are sustained by taxing the working people of the society, so a profitable farm in Connecticut can be the engine of an army in Arizona. Because they have this engine, there is almost no way to win unless you can drain their interest, have overwhelming numbers, or you have some huge terrain advantage (like in Afganistan). Settlers, government, civilization, we can pick a different word to use but a race based hatred doesn't make sense to me. The white Romans invaded lands and suppressed tons of cultures in Europe that were also white. Perhaps it's a civilization coupled with a government and organized military force? Ask the Ukranians about the Soviet occupation? White on white, but no less horrific then what happened in the US to the Natives.
     
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  8. The word 'mullato' just as the word 'negroid' was a scientific term until triggered Yanks decided it's racist
     
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  9. Yea, I kind of already came to this conclusion on my own after thinking about it. Most settlers didn’t arrive here on their own as far as I know. They were directed here by their respective governments/monarchies. By the way, I think a monarchy is the most egregious form of government in existence. It’s basically a dictatorship that gets passed down from generation to generation.

    Perhaps so but if that’s the case then we have a lot to worry about because this describes most countries.
     
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  10. We have been worrying and fighting and struggling with tons of them for most of the 20th century. Conflict doesn't need to go away per se. I think that is the human condition, but civilizations, governments and highly organized militaries make the stakes extremely high which is what is scary. Now instead of an uneven match, we have governments vs governments and the loser is the one that has it civilian population crushed the hardest (remember they are ultimately the engine of the war machine). Run out of food and you lose every time. You can't fight and also farm.
     
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  11. Sadly that’s how it works. The elites in government, business and super rich people in general rarely pay the price for war. It’s always the average, everyday people who suffer.
     
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  12. EthanW.

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    I think mixed race children will always have a harder time adapting to their environments, wherein two different races are the majority, especially since race mixing can have a strong strain on marriages.

    "In addition to having no significant health benefits (as proxied in aggregate by life expectancy) or intelligence benefits, mixed marriages are more likely to fail. Maybe you’re different, maybe you truly have a deep connection with your other-race spouse – but you ignore the general data on this at your own peril. And given how probability curves work, even if you don’t get a divorce, it’s more likely to be in the “less satisfying” end of how marriages go compared to a monoracial marriage."

    https://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/10/15/race-mixing/
     
  13. EthanW.

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    Are you implying paranoia and truth are mutually exclusive? Have you proven his post is purely paranoia in the first place?
     
  14. ClaritySeeker

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    It was a racist post, it seems it was removed by the Mods, I can't find it anymore. Probably because it was racist...does that make sense to you?
    I'm saying the guy sounds paranoid in his posts and he should probably seek the help of a professional or stop putting up paranoid/racist posts.
     
  15. ClaritySeeker

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    I agree that mixed race children will have a tougher time being accepted, but they have advantages as well. Personally, I think they look better.

    "Researchers found the more distantly related an individual’s parents were the taller they tended to be, the higher they scored on cognitive tests and the better their levels of educational attainment. However, the study found no link between genetic diversity and high blood pressure or cholesterol level, which had been suggested previously."

    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeand...-taller-smarter-children-says-extensive-study
     
  16. EthanW.

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    Did you read the link I indicated in my post? I am unconvinced that there is not a significant "outbreeding depression" effect upon mixed race children. What about crime statistics? What about the higher risk for marital failure?

    I think these aspects are just as important as height gains, if that is true.
     
  17. EthanW.

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    No, you misunderstood my post.

    But, what exactly did he say that was racist? You don't have to repeat it verbatim, but do you recall the principle? Because I don't remember racism in it.

    Furthermore, your subjective perception of paranoia is irrelevant. Either he was making truth claims about reality or he was not. You have demonstrated neither in the affirmative.
     
  18. ClaritySeeker

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    He used the word "Mulatto"

    In the end the statistics should not be a reason for 2 people who love each other not to be with each other. Two individuals with different ethnicities should be allowed to come together and create new life and everyone should have the freedom to do that. We can say 50% of marriages end in divorce, does that mean people shouldn't get married? No...
     
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  19. ClaritySeeker

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    @EthanW. Actually here is the quote: "Call me racist, I don't give a fuck, but it's just a ploy from the NWO. They are mainly elite Jewish folks who want people to mix so the Jews will only be the pure race in the world and would control us. The same NWO that control all of the porn industry."
    This is crazy talk and racist, you don't agree?
     
  20. Perfect example of why famous people should keep their mouths shut. Most of them don't know what the hell they're talking about, but for some reason they think that their opinion is important just because they're rich and famous. They need to know their role. Actors stick to acting, musicians stick to music, athletes stick to sports, and in Muhammad's case, he should've stuck to boxing instead of always putting his foot in his mouth.
     

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