More Feminism and Gender Politics Feedback Needed

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  1. Vilcox

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    Europe and North America hardly work perfectly, but that is not due to egalitarianism between the genders. Granted, men feel more miserable today due to female emancipation, but females probably feel better. Mental disease is however rampant, especially in the more individualistic societies, and people are probably swamped with too much information today.

    Also, nothing which would require 3-5 Earths to work globally works "almost perfectly".
     
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  3. Vilcox

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    I wrote "probably". It's of course true that a fifth to a third of women in modern western nations have psychiatric problems, but we do not have any data for the period pre-pill, apart from the hysteria epidemic (due to corset-induced brain damage and constant low-levl asphyxation) and the valium epidemic of the 1950s. Given that, females have more options today than to be housewives, teachers, nuns or prostitutes.

    Generally, would you be happier if you were financially safe but basically totally dependent on another human being who is the alpha because he/she is the one having an income?
     
  4. Women's life and their role in society in the past isn't as bleak and minimal as people say. Joan of Arc lead the French army 600 years ago, and she won.
     
  5. Vilcox

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    And she was burnt at the stake as a witch.

    We weren't even talking about the Middle Ages. For the record, most women during the Middle Ages assisted their husbands with farm labour. Middle Age farmers were also generally drinking a lot and engaged in swinging activity and group sex, as well as "trial-marriages" (when teenagers of opposite sexes were moved together and expected to have sex and see if they fitted together, if they didn't they didn't marry). The only females that were caged were those belonging to the aristocracy or to the emerging urban bourgeoisie.

    All this changed during the 16th century, and moralism was implemented amongst the peasants due to the advent of syphilis (the AIDS of the pre-industrial era) and the reformation/counter-reformation.

    I am not moralising over the Middle Ages. And it was you who claimed that the modern western society which was best, not me. The happiest places in the west are btw some rustic villages in Sardinia and the Aegean islands.
     
  6. I never said that I prefer the Middle Ages. Of course it sucked, but it was part of our history still.

    Doesn't surprise me. I love Italy, people are really nice there. If I wasn't living here (I'm happy I am) I would probably love to live in Norway or Iceland.
     
  7. JamesRK

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    These articles have data that may support your argument depending on the narrative, but I think there are some flaws in saying that feminism hasn't been effective. If you are saying the goal of feminism is to make women "happy," then sure, it's failed, but I think it's more complex than that. Happiness is hard to define. Fulfillment may bring happiness, but temporary pleasures bring it as well. A heroin addict who just got his fix is probably "happier" than any of us are in the moment (not to argue that happiness is long lasting). A student expecting to fail a test, who got a D is probably happier than a student with straight A standard who got a B. That doesn't make that doesn't make a D the better outcome.

    That being said, if a woman asked if she was happy 40 years ago and she were married, raising kids, doing housework, and saw that as the only option and the ideal, she'd say she was happy. Now, if she can reach for something greater (like a promising career and a family), but fails short of her own expectations, she might feel less happy, but is she worse off?

    Also, true, but that doesn't mean that women are better off. Women actually attempt suicide more often. However, they more commonly use methods that turn out to be non-lethal (e.g. pills). Men more often complete suicide attempts because they use more lethal means (e.g. firearms).

    Furthermore, the fact that men do not reach out for help with mental health issues is arguably due to gender norms opposed by feminism.
     
  8. I was just responding to @Vilcox who thought that women probably felt better because of feminism.

    Women have always had the opportunity to reach greater heights (Margaret Thatcher, Marguerite Yourcenar, Christine de Pisan, Mathilde Laigle, Marie Curie...), it's just that it's more promoted now.
     
  9. JamesRK

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    While I realize the word opportunity has merit because you must give people a fair chance, not just hand them things, I feel like these examples are counterproductive. Just because people have a chance doesn't mean things are far or equitable. Anyone who can afford to play the lottery has a chance to get rich, but that doesn't mean we're in a society where we can all economically succeed. Similarly, Marie Curie was an exceptional female scientist proving it was possible in her time to attain that goal, but that didn't mean the opportunity was available to all women.

    That's like saying Oprah and Beyonce have made it big, so therefore, women of color have nothing to complain about. The exceptions don't make the truth.
     
  10. Buzz Lightyear

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    You need to stop and consider whether the feminist movement may have done some serious cultural and collateral damage in its head-on stampede into a glorious future of absolute equality.........
     
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  11. Buzz Lightyear

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    :confused:

    OK, maybe you meant the masculine principle. So if society were completely emasculated, what would we have? A perfectly passive, docile and domesticated 'humanity' that would hum along like a ghost in a machine.
     
  12. Buzz Lightyear

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    Ok, very clever... this guy is having a laugh. Reductio absurdum right... right?

    Either that, or this person has a bad case of ideological infection of the brain.

    It's time you graduated from university before your brain turns to complete mush.
     
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  13. Buzz Lightyear

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    Is that what they're teaching these days? Good God man, this stuff could have come straight out of the totalitarian text books a good century back. A bit old hat don't you think?
     
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  14. Buzz Lightyear

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    Hmmm... maybe a master of satire at work here.
     
  15. Considering so many people jump out of their seats at the very word "feminism" and "gender" - think about this:

    We are not the only victims of pornography. Think of the "performer" and the damage she does to herself. She will undergo multiple, major, enhancement and reparative surgeries. And her life expectancy is cut in half. She will be dead as we continue to recover or fap. Think about the REAL pain she is enduring next time you think about fapping. Mutual identification of victimization is a scary thing. But it's essential. So if you immediately jump on the "femi-nazis" are coming after me train; realize the "femi-nazi" is the "performer" you're viewing. She thought, in the new school of feminism, the experience would empower her. She learns this is not the case, usually too late. Feminism itself is not an attack on manhood. In many ways, it defends our right to be men. But with so many theories, it's easy to generalize. I fully admit feminism tricks a lot of us into generalizations because of the early, radical movements' complexity. But this new school (neo-liberal) feminism trash says "I'm a feminist so I empower myself by having atomy over my body" just objectifies the human body; a fascist concept.

    But I highly doubt proto-feminist textbooks are going to stop us from fapping. I would say, just think about the "femi-nazi" who has been cooped by this insidious industry.
     
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  16. Buzz Lightyear

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    We? Who is this 'we'? Is this some fly by night, under the radar, hidden intelligentsia, that the internet has yet to bring to light?? Is it the first person in the plural referring to the totality of the species?? Or is it that strange sub-species of humanity that see themselves taken to a height, perhaps by some mythic winged creature, where with a God's eye view on the world, they pronounce their awesome and awful judgements?? :eek:

    I refer you to Zamyatin's 'We'. I bet you didn't read that one in your first under-grad year! And after that, please administer yourself with a good healthy dose of skepticism. You could start with the Pyrronic school of philosophy.
     
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  17. Women of color should complain about the fact that they are represented by those two idiotic bitches
     
  18. Vilcox

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    No, these are my own estimates of what needs to be accomplished. Every human being needs to use a part of the Earth's surface to nourish themselves. That means that for them to do so, other things would need to die. I am not striving towards human extermination, but human survival for millennia into the future. We cannot destroy soils, freshwater reservoirs and disturb the planet's climate and expect that we can continue with exponential growth for all eternity. Explain on what planet that is possible.
     
  19. Vilcox

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    Not necessarily. Could be giggly, childish, very feminine women, led by women who are somewhat more masculine.
     
  20. AGenuineLover

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    I guess 'feminism' means such different things to different people that trying to debate it on an online forum becomes a frustrating contentious mess where you'd rather smash your head against a brick wall even if you find the whole subject really interesting and pertinent.

    Or maybe that's just me... ^ ^
     
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