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Long thread, is there any hope of saving my marriage?

Discussion in 'Rebooting in a Relationship' started by ParvusSapentia, Jun 3, 2017.

  1. ParvusSapentia

    ParvusSapentia Fapstronaut

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    I've been married 12yrs, Pmo off and on with good and bad years. Started in high school when I was depressed, got horribly bad after college to the point where social anxiety from shame meant I rarely left the house... I woke up one day and decided I had to get the f out, so moved out to CA.

    Met my wife who caught me early on so I knew how much she hates p, and I made her a promise... unfortunately i had no idea how badly p hooked my brain...

    After our kids were born things were hard, but I didn't use p consistently for about 6 years... mostly bc I purposely didn't have a personal computer.

    About 6 years ago we moved back across the country and my job fell through... I spiraled into depression and started back up and she caught me. I realized I had a problem and quit without doing too much research. Made more promises I thought I could keep. Life went on for and we had a few busy good years, and while I may have the occasional slip while she was out of town, about a year ago I got my first iPhone... ugh since then anytime I'm stressed or depressed I have no control.

    Two months ago she must have found out, and told me she hates me and wishes we never met. She hates everything about me, about our life (even though we have had so much joy), and she would kill her self or divorce me if it weren't for our kids.

    I haven't handled this well at all, been pushy and needy and then I discovered 'your brain on porn' site, and started my reboot, and have been reading as much as I can, working out and eating better.

    Happy to say still porn free after 33 days, but in a moment of pain a few nights ago after she said some really hurtful things i m, so starting my count over. No p which is great but I used m to escape the pain which just perpetuates the problem.

    For the first time I'm really facing how much I've harmed the love of my life. Sure our sex life after kids was off and on, and as time passed her depressoion and anxiety meant it was hard for her... I took it personally instead of being her friend.

    I guess in a stupid way I justified Pmo bc she wasn't into me. Dummy that I am, I should have realized when she wasn't into sex we could have just hugged.

    Now I may have lost my best friend and mother of my two children, the happy gal I married is gone. Replaced by a seething pit of hatred and disgust... she would leave me today if she had the money, but is now planning on staying together until the kids grow up... and she says she'll never touch me again. I don't know if that is a good idea, the kids are picking up on her short temper and hatred of me. think she is in pain and still loves me, I love her more than anyone I've ever known, want to grow old with her.

    honestly wondering how the hell to maintain strength in the face of such blistering hatred. I'm working on making amends and getting Pmo out of my life, but can anyone who has made it through the other side of this give me some hope?

    I'm focused on today, but I don't know how to live this way.
     
  2. striving for the best

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    First off I would like to say welcome, and your not alone. I am in a very similar situation. My wife knew of my addiction years before I was able to admit to myself, and realize all the damage it had created. I had no idea it was at the root of all of our intimate/marriage problems.

    It was to the point she was ready to leave with my 2 year old daughter that it smacked me in the face. I finally accept full responsibility for what I have done, and who I have become. that was the easy part, working through and dissecting all the issues and feelings has been the hardest things I have ever done. The more we work through the more I realize how deep she is hurt.

    I killed her self confidence, self love, she has very bad anxiety now, and same thing she has such a sort temper because the anger and distrust from PMO fuels all the small things to make them explosive. sometimes everything is a fight, but I suck it up and stay patient.

    Because IIII'm the one who PMO'ed over being intimate with her, mainly I am the one who destroyed my marriage, and I am the one who ignored her feelings and opinions. I realize I am the one who caused so much anger, and so much pain, to where she talks about how she has nothing left and talks about how she hates herself. I have never felt like a bigger piece of shit when I see her break down with such disappointment that I would choose PMO over her after she spent all day getting ready trying to feel pretty, trying to feel wanted. she was starving for connection, affection, and love. I thought we had it but she new it wasn't as real as it should be.

    I will take everything she throws at me because I deserve it. I HAVE to PROVE to her that I will do whatever it takes to win her trust back, to make her feel safe now matter how long it takes.

    I am starting therapy to get to the root of my addiction and to learn more about myself. she is also counseling to talk to someone outside our marriage about what she is going through. NoFap has been the a key component in our recovery.

    I can HONESTLY say things are getting so much better! yes I have had to deal with every shit storm of resentment, because I stay patient and try to stay calm so we can talk through it. I give her space when she needs it and just stay open and willing to change.

    Our sex life has been amazing! We wait about 10 days O free before we have sex and its not even sex so much as it is making love. PMO has created intimacy issues with me, because PMO had always been in my life up until now that I don't really know how to TRULY be intimate. I can say that sex that we have been having has been slow, sensual, and a deep connection.

    We built that wall that they built to protect themselves, and we have help chip it down little by little. we owe it to them and our kids to be better, to work through it, to not give up, and to keep our families together.
    I know for me its not going to be an easy road, but nothing in this life that's worth a shit is easy.

    I would love to keep in contact I think it would be therapeutic for both of us.
    I wish you the best of luck brother and I say don't give up, she didn't when she could of.
     
  3. striving for the best

    striving for the best Fapstronaut

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    Also we have been together since we were 19 years old, 11 years now. I have been P free for 29 days, and it is more difficult than I thought I would be. But you are in good company here, everyone has been very open and supportive. so thank you for sharing and I hope to hear from you soon.
     
  4. i_wanna_get_better1

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    Welcome to the forum. I was in your situation a year and a half ago. After 17 years of marriage my wife threatened to move out, take our children with her, and tell whoever asked the real reason why she left me. I quit cold turkey that night. Addicts in a relationship have the additional burden of working on the relationship while working on their addiction. I was able to saved my marriage and it's possible for you to save yours.

    In the beginning, actions will speak louder than words. The promises of an addict are worthless. It's time to make a change that they can see before they can believe the words that are coming out of your mouth. Start by taking concrete steps that she can see... go to a therapist, avoid being alone, start exercising, go on a diet, take up a new hobby, journal, etc.

    Continue to be kind and patient. She has been betrayed and is entitled to all of the emotions she is experiencing. If she needs space then give her space. If she gives you a chance to speak then ask her how she is doing before explaining what you are doing. My wife and I talked every night for 30 days about my progress and how I hurt her. I would think about what I had done in the past and offer a sincere apology the next night we spoke. In everything you do and say take responsibility, accept blame, and validate her feelings.

    She may not be open to communicating, but there are things you can do regardless. It is important to build qualities that make you the man you ought to be and the man she deserves. Be a man of integrity, honesty, humility, maturity, and transparency. Those qualities shine through even though words may not be exchanged.

    The rebuilding of trust does not happen overnight or after one discussion or after one grand gesture. Trust is built after hundreds/thousands of kind acts. Trust is only extended when the other person feels safe in your presence. Think of yourself as a stranger and having to prove that you are worthy of trust. That is why many couples have to start off fresh, as if they were dating again. Many small acts of kindness may start to melt her hostility. If verbal communication is still a minefield and there are things you feel need to be said then consider writing her a letter.

    Of course, this only works if she is receptive. Many have repaired their relationships. Others have not be able to and they have to accept that this is part of the consequences of waiting too long to get help. It's sad, but it's reality. The only thing you can control is how your recovery proceeds. Accept that the rest is out of your control. Work one day at a time at being the best person you can be and hopefully things will work out.
     
  5. ParvusSapentia

    ParvusSapentia Fapstronaut

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    Thank you for sharing your perspective it's good to know I'm not alone. Lot of work ahead of me, but I'm moving finally even if it's too late
     
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  6. ParvusSapentia

    ParvusSapentia Fapstronaut

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    Really appreciate your reply and persepective, your right I will focus on what I can control!
     
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  7. Bearish

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    Then she has a lot of stuff going on that has nothing to do with you, in addition to stuff she has going on that DOES have to do with you. She clearly has trouble with commitment.

    If you haven't been having affairs, you haven't spent your lives into destitution, you haven't become abusive to her or your children, and the problem centers only on the fact that you have a PMO addiction, then it has more to do with the weakness of her commitment to you and to your marriage than with the trouble in your brain.

    I don't know whether your marriage can be salvaged, but unless you haven't told the whole story here, I would caution you not to take all the responsibility on yourself. A marriage always has two participants.
     
  8. ParvusSapentia

    ParvusSapentia Fapstronaut

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    Thank you, you're right in that she has many other troubles, at the moment she's focused on me being the cause of all the things in her life that she regrets or isn't happy with.

    When the kids came along she quit her job to focus on them, and for ten years I've somehow managed to make it happen, buy us a house in the suburbs in a place with great shcools. She barely can manage to keep the house clean but constantly complains about money and how many renovations need to be done to our house. all she does is mess around on her phone and she won't lift a finger to help and I think she is terrified of going back to work and has kind of hiding from life behind the kids.

    Lately she's been trying to make positive changes and I'm trying to let go of my resentment and bitterness over all the horrible stuff she's said and how ungrateful she's been for all my hard work. Also over the past two months she's been shady about her phone, I'm suspicious she may be having some type of affair. I think this is paranoia but if it isn't I'd be willing to forgive.

    Really thinking there's not much hope for the marriage but I'll be damned if I don't do everything I can! I'm starting to realize I can't control whether she goes or stays but I can be a better man, friend, father and husband even if it's over. Hoping for the best preparing myself for the worst, and taking it one day at a time.

    Already talking to the guys who have responded has been great thanks to all.
     
  9. Bearish

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    Yeow. Well there's the rest of the story, my dear new friend. Pick the little steps you're going to take because you can't remake your world all at once.

    If you decide to work change in the marriage, then don't try it on your own. If you read my threads, then you'll know how highly I value truly competent sex and marriage therapists--if you can find one. My marriage, thanks be to God, has always been rock solid, although we've had many difficulties related to my depression and sex issues. It gave the doctor a lot to work with, and because our commitment has never wavered, we could take everything on eventually. But even that was in simple chunks at a time.

    Lean on us here. You'll have a lot of voices telling you that, no, you're not crazy.
     
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  10. Brisance2113

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    This thread is important to anyone with a wife and/or kids to read.
    I am in the point of my journey where the shroud has finally been ripped from my eyes, and I can finally see the outrageous levels of pain and suffering that I have placed on her. That action was getting caught cheating on her after a PMO binge...
    If nothing else it gives hope to those who need it for motivation to keep successfully attacking our ordeals.
     
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