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Is Masturbation a normal thing ?

Discussion in 'Abstinence, Retention, and Sexual Transmutation' started by Amarion, Jun 13, 2018.

  1. Amarion

    Amarion Fapstronaut

    I keep telling my friends that I do the NoFap thing very seriously by abstaining from my MO addiction but they keep arguing that MO is a "normal thing". I do believe, however, that masturbation is not normal but a perversion to our own sexual desire but a part of myself keep doubting and I'm a little bit afraid to be honest...What do you guys think about that ?
     
  2. KillCommunism

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    Of course it's normal.

    I think you meant to ask whether it's natural.
     
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  3. u376

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    masturbation is equally damaging like porn
    you will encounter many scholars here who will not agree with me
    according to those gentlemen it is a normal thing just like a stress buster
    i will say it is a life buster............it busted my amazing , promising life back in 2011 untill 2017
    so with all my little knowledge and experience............DON'T DO IT
     
  4. kropo82

    kropo82 Fapstronaut

    My view is that masturbation is both normal and natural (lots of animals do it, my tortoise never stopped trying to hump things like flower pots). But my tortoise was not addicted to pornography. That (for me) is what makes abstaining from masturbation a good idea: not masturbating helps me give up porn. It does not matter to me if it is normal or natural it matters whether it was hindering my abstinence from pornography. I think it was.
     
  5. BetterManHopeful

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    Is drinking alcohol normal? For a lot of people it is. But for alcoholics its just something they can't do. I view PMO similarly. Some guys MO in the shower once a week and don't think twice about it, while some of will spend hours and hours and hours binging on porn despite all of the negative impacts its having on our lives. If you have a problem with PMO, there's no use in justifying that its normal. It may be for some people, but not those of us with a PMO addiction.
     
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  6. I support the statement of @kropo82. If you don´t have an problem with addiction, masturbation is normal and natural and does not harm you.
    On the opposite site, you can abstain from it. You can be abstinent as a mean for fighting against porn addiction, or you can be abstinent just because you like it, or whatever.
    It´s equally normal and natural if you don´t masturbate. Whatever you do, you shouldn´t apply brute force to yourself.
     
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  7. Amarion

    Amarion Fapstronaut

    Hmmmm... I don't know. It's been a long time since I didn't P but the problem is that I used to M too much, like every day.. Some said that Masturbation kills our vital energy aka sexual energy and therefore destroys our life whereas we can easily transmute it in other stuff and benefit from lots of advantages... I don't know... Is abstinance from MO a bad thing ? Is it weird to do so ? I can tell I feel a little better with my confidence self-esteem and everything. I've made some progress by abstaining from Masturbation but... I don't know... I'm feeling more attractive too... I don't know....
    If it's natural I'm afraid if I don't M it will impact something, like my sexual energy or other psychological / physical stuff linked with sexual attributes... Hmmm...
     
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  8. Normal? What is normal? Normal is considered that which is commonly accepted and/or practiced by majority of society. Back in ancient Rome pedophilia was normal, now it is not. Also back then in ancient Rome homosexuality was normal. Then later it was not. Now it is again. So absolutely yes, masturbation is normal. Because majority does it or at the very least accept it.

    Is it natural though? Depends how you define natural. Animals do it. Apes. Even sometimes dogs. Usually the more intelligent creature more likely it will figure it out. Or sometimes it might mistaken an object for a mate. So since this happens in nature and our intellect is natural effect of evolution then yes, it is natural. But if you define natural as having some kind of purpose in nature then I guess it is not. Because we are supposed to procreate with mates, not with our hand.

    Excessive masturbation drains us and crates addiction. It is compulsion. I believe it is unhealthy mentally and physically. Is limited masturbation bad? I don't know. Personally I do not like it because for me it promotes bad habits and puts me in a state of mind which is not beneficial. But that's me. I can not say that it would be the same for everyone.

    I do not like the word "perversion". Because that word implies moralistic judgement. And I do not believe it is in any way immoral or evil. Maybe not the most conducive activity for those who aim to elevate themselves spiritually or psychologically though, kinda the same way eating unhealthy food is not, but that's all.
     
  9. Amarion

    Amarion Fapstronaut

    I do agree with you. Thank you for your help !
     
  10. goodnice

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    described me as well. It is a life buster
     
  11. It is a personal choice. I guess with todays standards you can call it a "normal" thing.
     
  12. I sure agree with you .The problem I had was wasting time searching for the right porn to ejaculate with. I guess you could compare PMOing to many other vices.Having a beer or two is different them drinking 2 six packs .
     
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  13. BlueEye

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    This guy is right. Masturbation is natural and perfectly fine. I masturbated multiplte time a day when I was a teenager and never had any problem once I got a GF. It is when you start watching porn enough to be an addict that you will encouter problem. Once you have unreal expectation about sex, it's done, you're done.

    I could not agree more with @kropo82 , like him, I have to give up masturbation to give up porn cause everytime I start masturbation, I end up watching porn. It is like eating a frozen burger or a fast food one, both will bring you satisfaction but one of them will taste better even if it's trash.

    People saying that masturbation is bad / not natural are often religious (not always), masturbation is safe and natural. If you are a compulsive wanker then you have a mental illness. Excess of masturbation can cause desensitization which make your peepee less sensitive to someone's hand.

    Also, virgin people encoutering ED even if they don't watch porn need to understand that losing your virginity is a step in your life that can cause extrem anxiety => ED. Any doctor will ask you this "can you have an erection by yourself ?" if yes, then you're fine. What they forget to ask is "what do you enjoy". Religious people tend to feel guilty about masturbation which increase the anxiety. "Oh I don't have a boner with that girl, I can't lost my virginity, am I punished ? Why did I masturbated.. I'm damned!", This is anxiety.

    Masturbation AND porn can (not always) lead you to a porn addiction by abusing a self rewarding system based on masturbation, porn and easy self satisfaction. It will cause a desensitization of, not your peepee but, your brain. Once your expectation are fucked up, you won't be able to enjoy a smell, odors taste, touching, I mean, real things. Fortunately, it is reversible and the best way to lose weight is to not have cake in your home, so ending masturbation will reduce your chance to watch porn and then help you to cure your addiction.
     
  14. Remember we live in a HIGHLY sexualized society - and sexualization is also very powerful - and can be used to get you buy cars, and do just about anything else...

    Here is an alternative view of masturbation

    https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/weird-masturbation-habits

    However, as the Hewletts document in their 2010 study, Western sexual patterns, including our frequent masturbation, are unusual by cross-cultural standards. The Hewletts arrived at this conclusion in part by studying the sexual behavior of two central African cultures. They were astonished to learn that neither the Aka nor the Ngandu were aware of masturbation:

    They laughed as we tried to explain and describe the sexual activities. We thought that maybe they were shy or embarrassed individuals, but this would have been uncharacteristic of the Aka we had known so long. ...

    It was difficult to explain self-stimulation to the Aka. They found it unusual and said it may happen far away in Congo, but they did not know it. A specific word did not exist for it. We asked men, in particular, about masturbating before they were married or during the post-partum sex taboo and all indicated this did not occur. ... [emphasis added]

    Masturbation also appears to be rare in other forest areas.
     
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  15. u376

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    Wow
    Where did you read it
     
  16. @ yourbrainonporn.com link is above
     
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  17. No its not. No matter what media or friends or doctors tell you. Its a bad thing to do, mentally and physically.
     
  18. Vilayb

    Vilayb Fapstronaut

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    M is not unnatural or abnormal but it's not an excuse to fap everyday thought. If you do it once a week without having addiction problems it may be ok but if you feel the need to do it often it's a real problem and the only way to solve it is to avoiding it as much as you can.

    I would say that if you masturbate because you feel the urge to do it as a natural need it's ok, but people who masturbate don't do it because their body tells them so but because of sexual urges driven by a kind of sexual obsession. And for my point of view that's a really sick behavior that can affect your sexual and life health.

    Masturbation is not the real problem, it is what drives you to do it.

    That's why I don't masturbate at all nowadays, because I know that's my urges are not driven by any natural things.
     
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  19. Sleeperhead

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    It is not normal or natural, it is common. Yes, animals masturbate, but if you think that makes it natural then you are presupposing that everything we do is natural.

    Masturbation does not give animals an evolutionary advantage, instead it gives animals an evolutionary disadvantage. Nor does masturbation have a purpose like sex does. Therefore it is not natural because nature did not intend humans or animals to use their penises to masturbate rather than to impregnate a female.
     
  20. No, you miss the point. Nature doesn't intend anything. Nothing in nature does have a purpose. Anything gives an advantage or not, but wether is dependent from many variables.

    And I cannot see any disadvantage of masturbation in terms of reproduction.
     
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