Importantly question. Kindly answer the doubt

I would say it depends on the person was trying to achieve by humps or shaking. The intent is more important than the act itself. For me NoFap is what a person is becoming not what they are doing.

Once I became unsure if had to reset to 0. I was thinking of asking on the forum if I had relapsed, but when I thought about it I felt it would be deceitful if I carried on without resetting my counter.

 

Deciding to not touch yourself will speed your process of finding someone and letting them touch you.

 

From Wikipedia:

Masturbation is the sexual stimulation of one's own genitals for sexual arousal or other sexual pleasure, usually to the point of orgasm.

(but not always to the point of orgasm)

It doesn't stop being masturbation just because you didn't use your hands or didn't cum. If you listen to one of those hands free orgasm hypnosis tracks, you masturbated. If you have sex in a lucid dream (note: lucid. because in a lucid dream you are in control and aware - a regular sex dream you have no control over is different), you masturbated. If you dry hump, you're masturbating.

@Shiv112: I vehemently disagree that it "doesn't count" if there's no orgasm. Masturbating without orgasm is actually WORSE than masturbating to orgasm. Edging like that causes a dopamine feedback loop similar to watching porn, so it's actually worse for you than just jerking off and finishing.

I've tried every combination out there, from indulging in PMO when I was younger, to just masturbating to orgasm without porn, to masturbating without orgasm, to everything in between. Here's the order from most side effects to least:

Porn + Masturbation - Yes, P + M + O doesn't actually have the most side effects, porn + edging without orgasm has more side effects than porn + masturbating to orgasm.
Porn + Masturbation + Orgasm - Next up it's combining all three, PMO.
Masturbation - Masturbation on its own without orgasm (aka edging) comes next
Masturbation + Orgasm - Once again, edging is worse than actually finishing
No porn or masturbation, but orgasms allowed - Orgasm from sex is a different animal, and so is much better than MO
Abstinence from all three - Obviously the most benefits are had from avoiding all three, but orgasm also has its own benefits, so whether you avoid sex or not is an individual decision, and for most people avoiding sex is a bad idea, but it may be good to do during your reboot anyway.

But yes I'll say it again, edging is WORSE for you than just finishing, because of the dopamine feedback loop it creates. This is precisely the negative side effect that porn has that we're trying to avoid by not watching porn.

The reason orgasm tricks you into feeling like edging is okay is because after orgasm you experience a big spike in prolactin, which lowers your dopamine levels, killing your arousal and dropping your energy to 0. The thing is, this prolactin is gone within a matter of hours, and your energy levels are most of the way back up within a day or two. The reason orgasm feels worse at the time is because it's such a sudden drop in energy.

With edging there is no sudden drop like this, it happens without you noticing. Every time you edge you are desensitising your dopamine receptors to the effects of dopamine, so your energy is decreasing day by day. You won't even realise your energy levels are low because it happens gradually. It's only when you completely stop edging for 1-2 weeks and don't allow yourself to touch whatsoever, you'll realise your energy levels are suddenly through the roof.. and that edging was sapping them before.

So tl;dr: Yes what you did counts as masturbating, and it's a bad idea.

Porn and edging are the real enemies, orgasm is not.

 

Hi seeing porn video is sin or not

 

I can see how there would be some energy but personally I wouldn't do since there'd be a desire to orgasm and that would drive me crazy. But as I said how is your conscious doing? Can look at your counter and think you're being honest? Another question would be is why are you doing NoFap? Is it to stop PIED? Is it to have more energy? Is it to be successful with relationships? Does your approach help you in achieving your NoFap goals?

 

Seeing porn vs masturbation which is most worse

 

It depends on your religion.

 

P-M-O separates M from O. So M doesn't mean O. Some may argue that O separated from M means sex, but then O should have been S, not O itself. Thats just my thought though. If your goal is not having O, but having M, there's no such choice in the sequence of PMO as PO, but M as okay. However, the other way is possible to have O but not PM. So if you want to have M without O, you will necessarily have to choose only P as your commitment of refraining from. Else, go with custom goals, but as others have said, they are not really goals since M is also as bad as O, some may say worse.

I have done all this, its just mind justifying its addiction fix. Sorry! Best wishes.

 

For Christians? I don't know

 

Reacting to the first post (sorry for being (aggressive)?) Like, man, what do you expect from nofap? That addiction will cure on its own? Why the h*** are you searching for ways to ,,bend the rules" and stimulate yourself - why the heck are you searching for another way to do simmilar thing as masturbation.

OK, now I try to explain calmer
You became addicted to PMO, as many others here, and, I believe, you want to ged rid ot that addiction. The great thing is that, of course, you don't M. But look at it from different perspective your brain (so you) is looking for another way to get stimulated, is trying new way to get that dopamine. You are doing things to get that dopamine, on which you are already addicted on - same with that looking at P and continuing (sorry didn't read all replies). Isn't nofap really about self discipline and replacing bad (addictive) behaviours?

Take very simmilar analogy with alcoholism, little easier addiction. A man can abstain from drinking "hard liquor". But when he drinks a small glass of wine regularly, doesn't it have almost same impact on that addiction?

I am not saying you are not progressing, like great man, you don't M. But when you wan't to go futher (at least in my opinion) you must conquer yourself, and so your addiction. Start seeing these questions - does this count as relapse, is this a sin etc... as a way you try to stick to PMO habit, think about it. When you want to go further, you must drop all burdens that are holding you down....

As most used phrase everywhere, but good luck man

 

I'm not a Christian, so me neither. Yet, the definition of sin as well as what counts as such a sin varies in various religions.

 

Any kind of self genital stimulation for pleasure is masturbation. Method is irrelevant.

 

It is easy to investigate.
I know of no rational Christian defense of P, but it strongly condemned by a broad variety of groups for many reasons from philosophical to practical. P does not seem to mesh at all with God's plan and first recorded command, "Be fruitful and multiply . . ." See Genesis 1-2.