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I know I love my wife, I can't feel it though.

Discussion in 'Rebooting in a Relationship' started by theperfectionist, Jul 20, 2018.

  1. theperfectionist

    theperfectionist Fapstronaut

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    Hello everyone,
    I'm married to a lovely Russian lady. She is older than I am. She means the world to me.
    We've been married for two and a half years. My parents don't know. They are very simple people who feel very deeply and I fear they might not be able to take the news.

    Our libidos aren't matched and I use PMO as a means to bridge the gap.
    I know it is getting out of hand because I can hear myself shout inside my head to stop. After some time, I cannot hear myself shouting and then I start to feel shame, and I still cannot stop.

    I wouldn't be here if it weren't for the incidents of today.
    We went out for a picnic. It was wonderful. A boat, island, family, food.
    I should be happy, I should be hugging my wife and wishing for nothing else in the world at this moment in time to last forever. Instead, I felt nothing. I was constantly reaching out for my phone to grab a peek of the cached images from adult sites on the web browser.

    I know relationships are don't always maintain their zest over time, however, I am absolutely aghast at how I feel. I fear that if I continue this way, she might see through my mask of shame and I might react indifferently to save face.

    I hate what I'm becoming. I constantly think of ending things, turning myself off.

    If you're reading this, thank you. Nobody knows what I am going through. I cannot tell anyone either. What mental faculties I used to construct ways to express my love toward her is now being used instead to hide whats going on beneath.

    I'm sure she's noticed some changes. Women are naturally perceptive of such things. It's just a matter of time before she discovers my secret.

    I'm happy to just be writing this down. I feel less overwhelmed now about stepping onto the road to change.
     
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  2. Bubbles

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    Welcome! You've identified the problem, good going.

    Instead of putting energy into PMO, if you put it into your relationship you might bridge the gap that way :)

    Good luck !
     
  3. theperfectionist

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    That's the thing about change, @Bubbles ... most of the time we know what is good for us. We resist anyway. Don't you find it disheartening?
     
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  4. Maybe next time leave the phone at home or in the car. It is not an easy thing to do to get away from these things, if it we're we wouldn't need sites like this.
    Do everything you can to keep away from the screen and focus on other real things, especially connecting with your wife.
     
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  5. Hopeishe

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    knowing that it is a problem is the first step to change.

    you can do it :)

    A man acknowledging a problem is better than a man in denial.
     
  6. Rock_Star

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    good luck. feelings of emptiness and unknowing are part of the healing. you used P to suppress emotions and feelings and now you don't know the feelings you do have. just have to be patient and stay with the program. again good luck and best wishes.
     
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  7. theperfectionist

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    Oh @Freddiefox, that's excellent advice. I'll probably downgrade my phone to something less capable of browsing websites, having the phone nearby has become a norm for me, and most of us. I think we can't escape phones, rather put impediments in our ways to use them to get to PMO.
     
  8. theperfectionist

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    oh @Rock_Star , I read this recently and was reminded of it when I read your stellar advice; "The truth will make you hate yourself... it will also set you free".
     
  9. moonesque

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    Regular writing of your feelings will build awarness of yourself and your emotions, that will be a great tool during your recovery.

    I would ask of you to be open to yourself and show yourself compassion, but never run away from truth for yourself or your wife, given the secret of your marriage indeed there is a lot you are having to go through.

    There are a lot of good resources to approach what you are going through however, that many will talk about here, I hope you take some time to reflect on them for yourself, some will be good and others bad, but only you can be responsible for your own life.
     
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  10. theperfectionist

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    @moonesque This is the nicest piece of advice I've read in a while.
    Owning up to the responsibilities that come attached to the joys and freedoms of a relationship.

    I have huge problems accepting this. I have huge problems accepting that
    - life isn't a roller coaster ride
    - that most days are as mundane as brushing your teeth in the morning

    being an adult isn't the greatest. Being a responsible adult even more so...
    what keeps you going? How do you accept responsibility and keep the child in you satiated?

    Pray tell.
     
  11. moonesque

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    There isn't a child or adult, there is only you. I think you need to take a look at yourself, your real self and try to understand where your feelings come from, because feelings are not you, they are experienced by you, they are from you. I suggest journaling to observe when and where and why you have the thoughts you do, that's where I started on the same concept.
     
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  12. Ridley

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    That sounds really hard to deal with. I can't even imagine what it would be like to hide a marriage from my parents for two and a half years. I shouldn't pry, but this just really piques my curiosity, and I feel like you wouldn't have mentioned it unless it was somehow relevant to your situation and how you wound up on this forum. Am I right about that?

    I think this is one of the most potent lies porn addicts will tell themselves when in a relationship to justify their own addictions. I used to tell myself the same thing. I'm sure you already realize it, but PMO does not bridge that gap you're talking about. Sex with someone you love and care about is about trust, establishing a deep connection, intimacy, vulnerability, and love. PMO is about physical pleasure, isolating yourself, and shame. They are not the same thing at all, and PMO is not a good substitute for sex when your wife isn't available or willing to have sex with you. In fact, it may only end up making things worse. If you are feeling sexually starved in your relationship, the best thing you can do is talk to your wife about it. Have an open conversation about what you want out of sex, and make sure you listen carefully when she speaks about it.
     
  13. Hopefulgirl

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    Agreed
    This is COMPLETELY A LIE that addicts tell themselves to justify their online cheating. I can guarentee that if 100% of your sexual desire was towards your wife, and not fractioned off to the internet, she woukd be way more into having sex.
     
  14. Ridley

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    I think human sexuality is a little more complex than this, so I'm not sure that pornography is the only factor at play. However, I will strongly agree pornography certainly doesn't help at all. In other words: I think that abstaining from pornography is a necessary component for a healthy sex life, but it's not sufficient by itself. A healthy sex life also requires trust, intimacy (not just sexual intimacy), and good physical health, among other things.
     
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  15. Jason_Tesla_19

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    I'm sorry this may be a bit forward and tactless, but I had this gut feeling or intuition that you'll need to bring your marriage into the open if you want to truly heal. Perhaps the guilt and shame of hiding a marriage is damaging the marriage, and perpetuating hiding things from your wife. You're hiding your wife from your parents, and you're hiding your PMO from your wife. The guilt and shame of keeping those secrets may be driving your behavior.

    On a lighter note, try looking up bonding behaviors, or the "exchanges" over at the Reuniting (Karezza) website. Oxytocin can bring your emotions and lizard brain in line with your rational brain. I think they may help you both heal from PMO and regain that emotional connection. Look for the article "The Lazy Way to Stay in Love".
     
  16. Ridley

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    I second that. You said this better than I could. Seems like shame is a big problem for OP, as it is for many porn addicts.
     
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  17. theperfectionist

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    @moonesque ; Thank you! that is really good advice. I've actually started to be kinder to myself. Also, I started journaling about a week ago. More so than keeping track of emotions, it keeps me sane when there isn't anyone to talk to about this.
     
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  18. theperfectionist

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    @Ridley ; You are absolutely right. Living with a secret such as this isn't easy. I constantly need to come up with ways to justify why and how I spend my time and money. My parents think I'm still the wayward graduate from college. It doesn't get any easier; I just get better at lying. About my paycheck, where I live, where I am... nearly everything that my parents know about my life is made up. The thing about lies is that you need to lie more to maintain the lie. It's just a huge overhead to carry.

    In case you are wondering why I go ahead with this is; where I come from, it's
    - Unnatural to be married and not want kids
    - Marry someone who is 9 years older
    - Marry out of your own religion
    - Marry out of your own nationality
    On top of this, my sister recently had a long drawn out divorce that tore the family apart. Things have just begun to settle.

    It just seems to me that breaking out the news of my marriage at this point so that I might find "peace" is just plain selfish.
    I soldier on, hoping that the situation might present itself soon.
     
  19. Jason_Tesla_19

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    Do they even know about her at all, i.e., do they think she's your girlfriend? If not, you could pretend she's just your girlfriend for a while.
     
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  20. theperfectionist

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    @Ridley ; I actually talked to her about my addiction.
    What happened is interesting. She said she knows and thinks it's just a childish whim.
    She couldn't understand how one could even be addicted to porn.

    She was born in 1980. She just missed being among the first generation addicts like me.
    She threw a fit. I vowed to quit no matter what.

    I found this really good website, where you can make personal contacts and get penalized monetarily if you don't stick to it. A "referee" keeps track of the journal entries.
    It's actually working. I think it's been over a week and a half without PMO.
     

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