I have developed a fear of naked women

That would mean the 85% of the male population are virgins. Think about it.

You talk like one of those MGTOW type. That isn't necessarily a bad thing. I was into it for a little bit. But I found their outlook on life to be way too pessimistic. Also unrealistic and untrue.

The dream? There isn't some global plot to give men hope. There isn't any reason to make up a statistic like this, and if there is please tell me

How did the date go? Have you set up a second one?

I apologize I misread part of your situation. You try to get laid but your attempts fail. Because of this you have lost hope and think only the alpha male gets any. You think that since you don't have the looks you can't seduce a woman and if you can't get a woman you won't be confident. And since confidence is attractive to women you are stuck in a catch 22. Am I correct?

If it's hard for you don't give up. Keep going! Sure every rejection may hurt. But it's better than doing nothing. And feeling sorry for yourself isn't going to get the girl. It will only hurt your confidence.

Can you link me your dating experience thread?

 

Based on these 2 quotes it's clear to me that you and I have a fundamentally different view on reality and how the world works

I'm sorry to hear that. You'll find someone better God willing

You claimed you can only be confident if you get laid yet you don't even try? See how that works out for you

I'll make sure to read this. I'm in a bit of a rush right now, but I'll read it soon

 

@VirginWarrior

I was thinking about what you said and I think you make some good points. I sometimes think the incels are just salty guys who complain a lot but I realize there are too many for that to be the case. I wouldn't go as far as you to say it's the majority of men under 30 but it is definitely large enough to be a large scale problem in our society. And yea, you are probably right thinking the majority of women go after only the top 15% of men (in terms of their handsomeness) even if they aren't even close to the top 15% of attractiveness. Society is built around a small group of men with harems of women with men on the bottom not getting laid. Not that they are all virgins. But that it is very difficult for a lot of men.

I apologize if I trivialized your problems. I haven't had sex myself but I've had the opportunity. Women sometimes try to sleep with me but I turn them down. I might project this on others and it isn't right. I don't think of myself as attractive but maybe I look better than I think I do.

That being said I still want to emphasize my main point. Self worth comes from within. If you make women your key to confidence and happiness you will never be satisfied. Same with money or prestige. It is all materialism and it won't enrich your spirit. You need to find your inner peace. Tranquility in your heart can be achieved in abject poverty, bad health, and solitude. I'm not saying you shouldn't strive for the best in life. Money and women are fine to desire. But if your whole self worth is dependent on getting laid then deep down you are insecure with yourself. Hope this helps.

 

Don't listen to her. What does she know

How does it mean that? It means we have a group of lonely men in society and it doesn't have to be that way.

And the women aren't making good choices either. A lot of these men have so many options that they'll just use these girls for sex. How many women get pregnant and the dad runs away?

That just means you need to work harder.

That's good at least

That isn't true. Lots of men talk about how they were in your shoes but then they learned the game. Now they have tons of sex and girls. I know a guy like that.

You've internalized your defeat. Good looks give some men a bonus. But charm and wit can do wonders.

I knew a fat, bellow average looking dude who has slept with literally dozens of women. And he wasn't rich either. He just knew how to flirt.

 

You don't need a girl like that

So you just accepts you're a loser and role over?

I don't think they are happy with this as a whole

Have you never seen an ugly married guy? How do you think he did it

Believe me or not but I haven't lied even once to you. These men exist.

There is no benefit for myself in helping you. I just care about humanity and like to send a helping hand. But honesty comes first.

You made this thread so you clearly want help of some kind. Don't reject it when it comes your way.

The friend zone happens usually when you behave to friendly and take too long to make a move. Instead of walking away a man accepts being a friend. That's the friendzone. It can be escaped but the vast majority of the time it isn't.

Regardless I don't think men and women should be just friends. There is no point.

 

Not all girls are like that. You make it seem like every girl is a slut and we are all just sex crazed animals.

I've turned down advances from women in the past. I don't plan to have sex till I'm married. There are lots of people like me. I'm guessing you think we are all weird haha

Your sex drive will exist with or without NoFap. At least you've cured your porn addiction (seriously, good for you). 8 months without porn or masturbation is no joke.

The point I was making is that they aren't happy being used by guys and our system is designed to foster that. Otherwise yes I agree, women do like having sex with attractive guys. Just like dudes like sleeping with sexy women.

Social conditioning on the girls part? If yes, then find one of those girls

Yea that's true I guess. I honestly have always found it easier to make friends with other men.

 

Not sure if that's true. Lots of women through out history and today stay devoted to 1 man their whole life.

You're right on that one

Your just going to be a lonely sad sack until then?

With that attitude it is

How is it there best bet? Isn't a happy loving relationship anyone's best bet

 

They have found tribal people that have the concept of marriage. These marriages are sometimes monogamist. The idea of modern patriarchy doesn't exist there.

Seems like you've given up on life. It's sad really

I know you don't believe me but anyone can stop being an incel. You have a warped view on women. I think that girl who rejected you hit you hard. I've seen men who weren't getting laid start getting laid after putting in some effort. But of course you won't believe me. It's easier for you to accept being an incel then it is to put in the work to get laid.

If you really thought that you'd try to do it yourself


It seems like you and I only agree on 3 things. That men and women shouldn't be friends. That the majority of women will only chase the top 15% of attractive men. And that a large group of men under 30 in our society are incels. After that we can't see eye to eye.

Yes women will chase the handsome men just like men will chase the beautiful girls. But girls also care a lot more about personality than men do in this respect. Men often don't mind being with average looking women. I have/had plenty of guy friends throughout my life. Some are handsome, some are average looking, and some are ugly. All of them have gotten laid. The only friends I have who haven't got laid are like me and are waiting till marriage.

You seem to put women on a pedestal. What ever they do it's good in your eyes. You think they should sleep around with lots of men and virgin dudes should accept there place. It seems like you even want to push their feminist agenda while they go have sex with other men. You've become there beta helper while the sleep with alphas. And you wonder why you can't get laid. Behave like an alpha and chances are you'll become an alpha.

I know this won't reach you. You'll just think I'm lying again. But I'm not. Even if I was you literally have nothing to lose by trying. Study "the game" and go out and implement it. If you don't get any then you are in the same spot you are in now. If you do get some, you'll know longer be a sad sack.

I'm done trying to help you after this post. You clearly don't want it. I hope one day you say "enough is enough. I know it'll be hard but I'm going to get a girlfriend no matter what. I'm done being an incel". But you won't, not any time soon anyways.

Goodbye

 

look up calvin harris transformation. he looked pretty incelish before but now he is a male underwear model and dated taylor swift