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Discussion in 'Self Improvement' started by Deleted Account, Dec 8, 2018.

  1. 12 step programs have one of the lowest rates of success for addiction, I thinks it’s around 5%
    Cycling has a higher success rate
    12 step program actually made me worse
    Because my addiction stems from ptsd from child abuse
    And the program works by inducing a type of ptsd
    So I just became more and more anxious as the years went on

    I do understand it works for some people, but it hinders a hell of a lot more

    Check out a book called “the sober truth” it’s got all the facts in there
     

  2. The truth is that the program has a low success rate because people don't put in the work.

    They go to a meeting and "hang out". They are there to make connections, to buddy up, to make money.

    Meanwhile, they spend little to no time reading the information, doing service, making phone calls, or putting ANY effort into their recovery.

    But notice something else, the people that DO put effort into their recovery read the book, attend meetings, take out the trash in the church basement, contact other people who are serious about the program, and make it work.

    I don't care if some random writer thinks that the program won't work.

    Did this random writer put any effort into his program?

    Did you calculate the effort this writer put into the program?

    Here are the official stats: 1/3 have less than a year, 1/3 have 1-5 years, 1/3 > 5 years.

    If at least 2 mil around the world are in recovery, that's 700,000 people with long term sobriety.

    To me it's a success.

    If a city's worth of people can stay sober, considering the multitude of constant alcohol commercials, liquor stores on every corner, and cheap addiction vices at the beck and call, I think it's a win.
     
  3. A lot of what you just said is the reason why I don’t go anymore
    Firstly, any other treatment that has a low success rate will evaluate itself, whereas the 12 step program will say it’s the fault of the addict, I think medication has to have at least a 20% success rate to be considered
    It’s the idea 12 steppers have that their way is the best, which is wrong because a lot more people recover without the 12 steps
    I do think the program works for a small amount of people, but it’s a shame it seems to be the dominant way to recover, because it’s pretty poor
    It can actually harm people, but despite your “open Mindedness” I know that you will dismiss it, like the book I suggested, which is written by an addiction specialist who’s very well respected in that field
    And I know why you would, I get it, I was a stepper myself for over 20 years, and I would always attack any critics of the 12 step process
    But
    The more I admitted I was powerless, the more traumatised I become
    Also the process of step 4, looking for my part in abuse that was done to me was not helpful

    Then there the cult aspect I don’t like, I’m not using or drinking, but now I don’t goto NA, no one in the 20 years I went now talk to me, it happened literally over night

    So I guess we gotta agree to disagree

    Can you at least acknowledge that the 12 steps didn’t work for me?
     
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    I don't want to disagree with you, but because lives matter, people with certain health conditions who are at higher-risk for having heart attacks....a sudden cold shock CAN kill them.

    If a hypertensive person's heart comes under too much pressure, they can fail. All the blood suddenly rushing inwards on someone who is already pushing the red-line, they can die.

    Please be sure to keep your facts straight if you are going to be giving advice on a practice that can in fact cause death. It would be a RARE case for such a thing to happen, but even if it is just for one life...we need to be careful for each other right?
     
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    It damaged my teeth. Although I quit smoking 4 months ago, I still have to go to the dentist. It gave me lots of traumas and more fear besides my existential fear that I also have. I had smoked for 9 years since I was 17.

    A disease caused by smoking will amplify your existential problems. For example, my existential fear is that if were to jump in front of a bus nobody would save me. If you smoke you will also be afraid of cancer and how terribly painful is to experience this disease!
     

  6. If someone is in such a fragile state as to not withstand a cold shower, they aren't going to last long anyway.
     
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  7. I could, but there would be a serious caveot:

    How much effort did you put into the steps, recovery, service?

    Did you get a sponsor? Sponsees?

    And you are telling me that you want to abandon the program as a result of reading a book that some quack wrote?

    This does not add up to long term sobriety,

    nor does it add up to emotional sobriety,

    neither to a spiritual life.
     
  8. I did everything you could possibly do in a 12 step program

    No I didn’t leave because of a book

    I left after meeting many people outside of NA that did it other ways

    Again, there are other ways to recover without the 12 steps
     
  9. Replied like a true stepper ;)
     
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    While that may be true, it is our duty as people who carry love to help raise them back up to the height they were meant to stand in.

    If we let the “weak” people perish, we become weaker as a people. Then we perish.

    Every beating human heart holds within it treasures of experience and astounding capability, if only it wasn’t so wounded. When hearts stop beating, we delve deeper into the true poverty through losing such valuable assets to our common cause.
     
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    Guys, I smoked 2 cigarettes today after 3 months and 20 days of no smoking. It was terrible. I felt really sick!
    I did it because of loneliness mainly and because It was forbidden by myself. I had forgotten how it tasted!
    Today I am very involved with teas! They are precious, very good for health and it's a true art. Cigarettes are truly poison and trash! They taste worse than trash.

    I don't understand how I could smoke for 9 years! At the time, I didn't even know about teas. It's a miracle that I only damaged my teeth. I had lots of problems.
     

  12. A person who dies as a result of a cold shower has done that to themselves.

    I did not FORCE a person to sit around, be sedentary, and eat junk food all day.

    "If WE let the weak people perish..." you said?

    I am on the right side of history on this, I am a fitness instructor. It's one of the main things I do is to help people improve their fitness.

    At the end of the day, however, each person can either

    Feel the pain and get the gain

    Or become a

    sugar tooth who ignores the truth.
     

  13. Don't ruminate,

    focus on doing the right thing today

    right now.

    It's easy.
     
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    It seems my words have found a place of offence within you.

    Let me know when you are ready to return to having a rational and cool-headed conversation, until then I will not continue to engage in this any further as it appears that our conversation will have shifted from debate to argument.

    Good day.
     

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