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Discussion in 'Compulsive Sexual Behavior' started by Musicmaster, Oct 31, 2018.

  1. 0111zerozero11

    0111zerozero11 Fapstronaut

    I'm so sorry; they left personal stories like yours out of my victims manual. Thanks for setting me straight. People like you make the world go round :emoji_upside_down:
     
  2. 0111zerozero11

    0111zerozero11 Fapstronaut

    Thx ghost-
    I don't care if they're cured in prison, but, it will stop them from harming others while they're in there....& then you have that whole sex offender registry list that would *hopefully* deter most from returning to that lifestyle, but what do I know?
     
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  3. 0111zerozero11

    0111zerozero11 Fapstronaut

    I just re-read your post just to make sure I wasn't hallucinating. Did you say voyeurism is an addiction? I want to make sure I'm reading your words correctly
     
  4. Actaeon

    Actaeon Fapstronaut

    Yes, you are right. You would have to make a choice to return to the thing that has always brought you relief and comfort in the past. You know what else that is true of? Heroin, crack, PCP, gambling, alcohol, and huffing paint thinner. When people who were addicted to these things get out of prison, especially when those are the very things that got them into prison, you would think they would choose not to go back to them. And if we were rational creatures, that would undoubtedly be the case, and there would be way fewer people in prison. However, I would argue that empirical evidence does support that view of human behavior.

    Also, my understanding of the OP was that he had not actually done any illegal recording yet, but was only thinking about it. This suggests an interest in voyeurism, and being on this site suggests an addiction to pornography. I was responding to a post suggesting that the only ways to stop being addicted to voyeuristic pornography are prison and psychotherapy, and I was offering my opinion that prison is not, in fact, an effective method of stopping anything.
    Unless you get a life sentence, of course. Hey, maybe we should all just go to prison forever! Problem solved!
     
  5. Actaeon

    Actaeon Fapstronaut

    Of course it's an addiction! Why the $%&# do you think people do it?! Same with exhibitionism, anonymous sex, or compulsive masturbation! Show me a person who does one of those things, and has never said to themselves, "I need to stop doing this," but then kept on doing it.

    Please understand, I'm not saying that makes it OK. Lots of people have addictions to things that are fundamentally not OK, and calling it an addiction doesn't change that fact. But saying it's not an addiction means that these people are somehow making a series of rational decisions to harm both themselves and others. Is that really what you think of people?

    I'm truly sorry you were victimized by this. I'm truly sorry for all the people I victimized by viewing materials that were either stolen from them or created without their knowledge. But I'm only sorry when I'm not locked into my own addiction cycle.
    I'm trying to get better. That's the best I can do.
     
  6. 0111zerozero11

    0111zerozero11 Fapstronaut

    Hi, yes, words matter.
    "To stop being addicted" was not a part of my original quote. I simply said "to stop".
    Semantics & misquotes fuel prison rumors, I'm sure.

    I didn't add the "being addicted" part for a reason; I do not believe one is addicted to voyeurism. Voyeurism is a paraphilia disorder, not an addiction. You can have a sex addiction that had led to this disorder or vice versa, but to be addicted to voyeurism isn't possible.
    Because......it's a disorder
    Have an awesome night :)
     
  7. 0111zerozero11

    0111zerozero11 Fapstronaut

    Yeah man, you gotta get to the root of that problem. Only way you'll be set free. Best of luck
     
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  8. MasterRoshi

    MasterRoshi Fapstronaut

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    Dude! It’s porn induced. I’m sure if it. I actually attempted this towards the end of my PMO addiction. I can tell you that it made me suicidal due to the guilt. So don’t do it...

    I can also tell you it’s due to porn addiction. Or at least mine was.

    I actually totally forgot about my hidden camera shit until I saw you thread :) it completely slipped my mind. I’ve been sober from porn for 9 months and also MO free for all of that except 4 days of it.

    So if you stay sober and reboot, I think there’s a fairly good chance you will lose this fetish.

    I would also say you should work on not only being PMO free but also stop fantasizing about unhealthy things. Our brains are powerful and our imagination is strong. We can create images in our brain through fantasy alone that can be just as destructive, such as if you MO to mental images of your wife’s friends.

    Hope this gives you hope and I totally honestly 100% forgot that I was into this stuff.
     
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  9. 0111zerozero11

    0111zerozero11 Fapstronaut

    As a victim, I can't help but get the truth out. Voyeurism is not "just porn induced". At least it's not to the one that was secretly recorded nude by a person that vowed to keep her safe.
    It is a disorder. Abstaining from porn won't magically cure this desire.
    By you insinuating I was secretly recorded for months against my will because it's just "porn induced" behavior is not only ignorant, but detrimental to a victims healing.

    DISORDER. NEEDS THERAPY.

    Let me know if I can clarify anything else for y'all ;)
     
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  10. MasterRoshi

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    But I quite porn and I no longer am into it and have zero desire to do it and haven’t thought about it in quite some time (btw, all of my recording was legal and of non nude women In public. Doesn’t make it ok, but just wanted to clarify.)

    So isn’t it porn induced and not a disorder?

    And sorry, didn’t mean to offend. Just talking my experience with PMO addiction, and trying to give hope to a fellow addict.

    For years I thought I had a PMO addiction problem. But it turns out it was just a symptom of my true problem which is low self esteem, depression, anxiety, and self hatred. I used all forms of sex as a way to cope with my problems.

    So now that I’m sober, all of my problems flooded in really strong, and I have been embarking on a journey to squash all of that stuff and truly recover.

    This is the reason why my taboo sexual behaviors are gone. For me it’s not the porn or sexual fetishes that are the problem, it’s the emotional problems that are the problem.
     
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  11. 0111zerozero11

    0111zerozero11 Fapstronaut

    No offense taken! If one is having those kinds of thoughts, acted on or not, it goes a bit deeper than an escalation of porn use.
    I'd do a little reading about why one has voyeuristic thoughts & go from there :)
    Totally solvable problem if you want to understand why you have those thoughts, instead of attributing it to porn use. Even then, you're using porn to fill a void, sooooo

    Take away the porn, you still have a sexual disorder that is causing voyeuristic thoughts. Porn didn't cause that. Most likely, a sexual compulsive disorder did. Figure out the root & work on recovery, problem *solved*.
     
  12. Actaeon

    Actaeon Fapstronaut

    With all due respect, being a victim makes you qualified to talk about what victimization is like. I'm sorry, but it does not make you qualified to talk about why people do it. Any more than getting beat up makes me qualified to explain why people are violent.

    A lot of deviant sexual behavior is porn-induced. People see things in porn, and that both sparks the idea and normalizes the behavior. Abstaining from PMO will help you clear your head, so you can make decisions based on your values rather than your need for instant gratification.

    I've never secretly recorded anyone, but I've fantasized about it, and I've obsessively watched porn that I'm pretty sure was created from a hidden camera. That's because voyeurism is one of the things that appeals to me, and so when I'm obsessively watching porn, it's one of the things that I watch. As I mentioned before, I feel really bad about that. But I kept doing it, because I'm addicted to porn. I believe that setting up a hidden camera, especially on someone you know and who trusts you, is way worse than watching videos made by someone else. But we are both voyeurs. However, being PM-free for a week has made a huge difference in how I think about voyeurism. I can think about how it affects other people now, instead of just how much of a thrill it will give me.

    [edit]
    Although, what @MasterRoshi said also makes sense. So, maybe a little bit of therapy would help :)
     
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  13. JKnight

    JKnight Fapstronaut

    taps into a certain level of cruelty, feeds into a danger element. I believe that it because it is far more real to people and so might be more inviting.
     
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  14. MasterRoshi

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    Thanks. I’d say also that I’ve learned very few things in life are black and white. My voyerism most deifijitkey came from porn in combination with my emotional issues and combining sex and adrenaline. Add the constant thought of suicide to the mix and you have someone who is desensitized, emotionally unstable and doesn’t value his life, therefore consequences are of no concern.

    This is what I was. I was living in an alternate realm. Where nothingattered to me but sexual pleasure and doing everything possible to stay in the alternate realm including taboo stuff and constant arousal. I mean constant.

    Since becoming sober, and doing 12 step work, and therapy and a handful of other daily stuff, I no longer live in that alternate matrix type world. I’m no longer disconnected from reality, and I’m no longer obsessed with sex.

    I have to believe that in some voyerism is a condition, but in others like me, it is a product of 20+ years of viewing porn regularly, and 5+ years st the end of viewing porn 4+ hours a day.

    Porn addiction is a feedback loop. The more you view it the more you want to view it and the more vanilla content doesn’t do it for you anymore, then the taboo fetishes start. And as others said, it normalizes the fetishes. It takes them to extremes I would have never thought of and then the other extreme stuff doesn’t seem so extreme when you can push beyond your own imagination.

    Let me give you an example. Creepshots (pics or vids of people in public who are hot) is intrusive, but not as intrusive as upskirts in public. Both of which are legal in many states. Hidden cameras in dressing rooms watching women change is worse than upskirts, but orgasming on women in public is worse than that, but pulling down women’s skirts in public or pulling down tube tops in public is worse than that.

    All of the above is available to watch on mainstream video websites. Not any dark web sites or anything. Just the plain old porn tube sites.

    So if someone eventually falls down this rabbit hole, the recommended videos will eventually get them to the final type of extreme I listed. Now if you spend enough time watching the worst of the worst legally available, then creepshotting hot girls in supermarket doesn’t seem so bad now does it? But at one time it seemed unthinkable. But compared to the extreme it seems tame. This is the desensitization that porn can do to someone and in many cases no fault of their own, because these sites have a constant feed of increasingly extreme and taboo content.

    And I have personally found that the longer I’m away from porn AND the more effort I put on reframing my sexual desires, the further from my taboo fetishes I become. To the point that I hadn’t even remembered about this particular fetishized for quite some time. It left my conscious. And I’m only 9 months sober. I can’t imaging what I will be like if I make it to 2 years
     
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  15. 0111zerozero11

    0111zerozero11 Fapstronaut

    With all due respect , I'm married to my perpetrator. Don't tell me what I do or don't understand. I've sat in on his therapy sessions. Tell me about yours....
     
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  16. 0111zerozero11

    0111zerozero11 Fapstronaut

    Hey friend, as long as you're identifying the reason instead of blaming it on porn, you're making progress. Good job
     
  17. 0111zerozero11

    0111zerozero11 Fapstronaut

    This makes it a disorder. Calculating
     
  18. JKnight

    JKnight Fapstronaut

    It could be, in some cases it is calculating, in others, it's merely instinctual with certain people gravitating towards that type of behaviour or porn type without any real calculated malice involved. Porn Addiction as it is should be classified as a psychological disorder but APA won't really research it.
     
  19. 0111zerozero11

    0111zerozero11 Fapstronaut

    For sure PA can make a person start to need more intense things to get that high. A person can have voyeuristic tendencies they don't even know they have & PA can be a catalyst to act on these. Once a PA begins looking at this type of fetish, it will snowball. We all know how the brain needs more & more to get that high. The little PA problem will lead to a voyeuristic disorder before you know it.
     
  20. Actaeon

    Actaeon Fapstronaut

    Ah. OK, well, that is new information.

    I guess I would say that any addiction is a type of disorder, and would probably benefit from some type of therapy. What type depends on the individual and the circumstances. Mine has focused on learning to control my more dangerous impulses, while also addressing the emotional issues that lead me to want to act out. However, no therapist has ever suggested they could "correct" my interest in voyeurism.

    To me, the most important thing is that neither an addiction nor a disorder absolves anyone of responsibility for their actions. Even if your spouse was high on meth at the time he betrayed you, he still owns his mistakes, just like I own mine.
     
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