Here's Why NoFap is Essential for Spiritual Growth

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  1. Alpinist

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    Words are not enough, just watch this and feel free to share your thoughts afterwards:

    All the best on your path!

    Alpinist
     
  2. Pureheart

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    There is nothing to watch :)
     
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  3. Alpinist

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    Thanks Pure Heart, I pasted a YouTube link, here you go:

     
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  5. BrainPlasticity

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    Wow, interesting and thought provoking even for an agnostic Buddhist like me. So the video suggests having a gf/partner without sexual intimacy for kundalini awakening?
     
  6. Alpinist

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    I'm glad you enjoyed it BrainPlasticity!

    Before we go any further, I must make the following disclaimer. My title was deliberately phrased that way in order to only attract Fapstronauts who value spirituality as Im not trying to get anyone to change their beliefs. My response therefore assumes that you are one of them and are open-minded cause everyone has a right to follow their heart, their conscience and to honour the dictates of their own reason and intuition.

    The video actually suggests that you should engage in sex yet you should renounce the orgasm. This is True Tantra (White Tantra), Kama Sutra [Hindu god of love; opposite of Mara] + Sutra [the holy word]). Therefore, you can engage in sexual intimacy but your thoughts must be pure even while in intimacy, selfless even while in intimacy and ever focused on Self-realization of the inner Buddha. This is called Sexual transmutation - even Napoleon Hill wrote about Sexual Transmutation in his very famous book "Think and Griw Rich". It is the art/spiritual practice of teansmuting ones sexual forces to raise the Kundalini and awaken that force that will give yiu the strength to overcome your own weaknesses and realise Truth. Science is albeginning to prove this as can ge seen in the 10 min video below. This is the essence of the Gnostics. Gnosticism believes in a central creative force, which wants the same thing for all human beings - to help us reach our full potential and the infinite heart of love. It has given the same message to all people's in messages and languages and cultural symbols and metaphors they understand.

    In all things do that which you believe is right and follow your heart. The path of alchemy and sexual transmutation is only possible for those who dire Self-realization more than anything else, otherwise its not for everyone. For now you can check some resources discussing some great Buddhist Masters and Sexual Transmutatiom here and those of Ancient Egypt in tbe 10 min video below:

    http://gnosticteachings.org/authors-and-teachers/13-buddha-shakyamuni.html
    http://gnosticteachings.org/scriptures/buddhist/2274-buddha-sex-and-the-middle-path.html
    http://gnosticteachings.org/authors-and-teachers/45-marpa.html
    http://gnosticteachings.org/authors-and-teachers/41-longchenpa.html
    http://gnosticteachings.org/scriptures/buddhist/2204-longchenpa-masturbation.html
    http://gnosticteachings.org/authors-and-teachers/15-tsong-khapa.html
    http://gnosticteachings.org/scriptures/buddhist/9-milarepa-on-sexual-energy.html
    http://gnosticteachings.org/authors-and-teachers/46-milarepa.html

    https://www.google.co.za/url?sa=t&s...twIwAA&usg=AFQjCNGWro16Jb8HqaEVwTy_o4EF0d_0uQ

    I hope you enjoy, if you'd like to chat further feel free to get intouch or send a direct inbox message. I'm currently 217 days clean with only two initial wet dreams. Im living this (sexual transmutation) and I can tell you - it will change your life!

    Take care and keep winning! Never give up!

    The Alpinist
     
  7. BrainPlasticity

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    Oh? but I don't think the video suggested having sex. Could you tell me the video time at which the narrator suggests this? that would be a form of edging right (that's considered unhealthy: http://yourbrainonporn.com/what-if-i-use-porn-without-orgasm) ?
    I will explore these links you sent at a later time since it's time for my sleep and I'm very interested in delving deep into this conversation with you. ttyl
     
  8. Alpinist

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    Greetings BrainPlasticity

    Apologies for taking my time to respond. I have been quite busy work.

    The video does suggest having sex but without the orgasm. See the section titled "The Forbidden Fruit" (26:22 [26min22sec]). Between 35:00 and 37:00 it is explicitly stated but it's best to watch the whole section so as to have context.

    No it would not be a form of edging. Why? Because edging occurs when there is porn or pornographic thoughts. This is vastly different from white sexual magic. Remember, Porn or reimagining pornographic images in your mind is damaging to the brain even if you only edge and don't organism because those negative images continue to affect your neuronal pathways. That is why the website is even called "your brain on porn", the key element being porn which alters your desires and sexual tastes whether you orgasm or just edge.

    On the other hand, sexual magic or sexual transmutation occurs not in the mind or in some fantasy, rather it occurs between two chaste people who have or are in the process of dissolving their Ego's in seeking Truth. This is different from edging to porn or even just watching porn without edging. Porn is beastial and edging to it is eqay beastial and brain-damaging. On the other hand sex between two people who love one another and who seek divinity, this is beautiful without a divine beauty and will lead to Buddhahood. This doesn't make it easy. One must first purify themselves. This is even harder for us Fapstronauts whose imaginations are filled will all sorts of crazy images that are stored deep in the subconscious and keep coming up to tempt and haunt us.

    But, like I said, let each follow their own hearts and conscience so such a path may not be necessary for everyone. For others, a simple 90 day reboot and then going back to normal life may be just what they need on their journey. Its important to note that I am also still a learner on this journey and that this what I have come to understand so far. Right now I'm far from chaste even though I am physically clean from the orgasm, my mind is still filled with lusts and dirty thoughts - its not an easy task and it should be done by those who feel that it is the right thing to do for them. It should not just be done experimentally. It will take diligence, patience and much perseverance to undo the damage that PMOing has done to our mind - it requires faith and dedication.

    Be Strong and Follow your Heart!

    The Alpinist
     
  9. DannyCool

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    I was just going to talk about this on another thread. At present maybe I would make love to someone if the circumstances were right but both of us would have to be spiritually mature and it would have to have the result of reducing attachment rather than increasing it. My concern is that if I was to make love to someone it would break my streak and boost my desire for women. On the other hand if the desire was transmuted it would serve only to strengthen my spiritual life. This would take a lot of strength and spiritual knowledge. I am happy to stay away from all that for a good while at least. Biting the apple that Eve gives would be a major loss for me right now.
     
  10. Alpinist

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    For Sure DannyCool! I feel exactly the same way you do my brother. Its even harder to do because the conditioning of this modern society is Drugs, Alcohol, Sex and being a badass. So they make people like us, who are truly walking the path feel like outcasts and uncool. But that makes no sense...

    If they have the right to make porn don't we have the right to make love?
    If they have the right to destroy themselves with toxins, don't we have the right to build ourselves with exercise and good nutrition?
    If they have the right to worship immoral celebrities, don't we have the right to worship the God of our being?

    Keep it up brother, be steadfast and strong. This world will corrupt us if we give it half the chance. It doesn't make us perfect, far from it, but it just makes us wise enough to learn from our mistakes, to learn from our own pain and suffering - the pain and suffering of being a slave to disgusting sexual images and fantasies while destroying the truth within.

    Well done on your 153 days, I also see that you're a NoFap supporter. Keep it up buddy and never look back!

    More Fire!

    The Alpinist
     
  11. DannyCool

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    That is the spirit. I wish you the same. It is great to have encouragement for what really works. I am going to continue to focus on the strength within myself for another while. Maybe that is all there is to work on really. This means quite strict boundaries but it brings more happiness. Just like you say:

    There is plenty to learn from the world but mostly it tends to corrupt my mind in my opinion or for the stage I am at. That is why I am going to keep things simple and build the strength within.

    Keep in touch.
     
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  12. RyanRVA

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    What this video talks about is the reason I came here. Abstaining from ejaculation indeed increases vital energy. The fapstronauts mostly started their journey as a way to deal with addiction but they are discovering something incredible by accident.

    Here's some dangerous information. When I first found out about this stuff I experimented by edging to porn. I could feel the energy in the crown chakra. This caused some deep psycological damage because the cosmic unity sensation of the activity was associated with porn. I have since corrected that damage by not watching porn but I can report that this is very real.

    The body constantly generates sexual energy so plain old abstinence works pretty well if you can't find a woman that practices tantric sex which is most likely the case for just about everyone. The tantric sex stuff is an advanced practice. Its not something that people are just going to jump right into.

    The trick is the transmutation of the energy up the chakra system. If that process doesn't work properly the energy will be stuck in the lower levels and will cause a lot of discomfort. Meditation works pretty well for this.

    I really hope a troll doesn't hijack this thread. This information is too important we are all pioneers at this point. The veil is lifting.

    I'm over 30 years old and I'm just now discovering how this stuff works. Better late than never I guess.
     
  13. RyanRVA

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    Something that should be noted. The Alpinist conveys a great deal of intelligence and compassion with his writing. We should all pay close attention to what he has to say. Whatever he's doing it seems to be effective.
     
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  14. Bliss

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    Great topic, i just hit these forums exploring the net.
    seeing this topic, i thought it must be worth registering on the forum.
    There might be some worth-full information out here. :)
    The reason i became abstinence is also to improve spiritual growth.
    Having sex without ejaculation works for me.
    It helps if you can find a girl that understands it.
    I'm going to watch the entire video right now.
    Big thanks...
     
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    So we've discussed what ejaculations do to men, but what about Women? In the Taoist teachings that got me into this, they seem to think that it was just fine for women to have orgasms. Perhaps this is not the case. My wife seems to think orgasms are non destructive but then again spiritual growth is probably not her top priority. Any thoughts?
     
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  17. Alpinist

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    @DannyCool : I agree with you there mate, there is much to learn from the world and becoming a blind fanatic won't help either. Each should look at their own unique circumstances and do their best - taking and using what is good, and ignoring the bad. We should definitely stay in touch! Keep well.

    @RyanRVA : I agree with you too brother. What started out as quest to conquer PMO addiction has brought me closer to my highest purpose. You're very right about Tantric Sex/Transmutation. People can't just jump into it so celibacy is very advantageous until one feels ready to engage in sexual transmutation with the right partner. And when a particular Nun and Monk were ready, they would marry and practice sexual transmutation. This is why most religions, ancient traditions and mystical orders established monasteries where monks and nuns could practice celibacy and chastity as the first step on the path. As with most religions, this ancient secret was perverted over time as people degenerated and began institutionalising spirituality for the sake of their own pride and vanity. Without the secret of sexual transmutation, monastic traditions then degenerated into places where the sexual energy was suppressed instead of being expressed and transmuted and then came all the horrors we've heard of happening within monasteries. So its important that even as a single person you find constructive ways to transmute the energy instead of just repress it, because that can be dangerous. As you said, Meditation is essential to this, one can also do Pranayama or other esoteric practices that help in this process. For more details on this I recommend the following links: http://gnosticteachings.org/topics/39-pranayama.html or http://gnosticteachings.org/topics/sexuality.html.

    Your statement - "This information is too important we are all pioneers at this point. The veil is lifting." - is so pertinent. The veil is lifting and we must have courage if not for ourselves, for humanity. Its always better late than never indeed, but all we have ultimately is now and all things happen in accordance with our Karma at the right place and at the right time. Many people will die never having had the opportunity to look at life from a higher perspective, wiht the bigger picture in mind so keep it up! Thank you for adding your wisdom and experience to this thread, it helps a lot. Thanks as well for your humbling comment regarding my writing, I truly appreciate it. I find it important to emphasis as well; that I am a Fapstronaut like all of us, who rises and falls day-in and day-out and am only doing my best to pay it forward where I can. When I started NoFap I was terrified, I never realised that there were so many people rebooting around the world for longer than 90 days, it gave me hope and inspired me to keep going. I hope we'll all continue to do the same for others who are yet to join. With that said, I am a fellow seeker, a fellow student on the path and all I say should be taken with a pinch of salt, the True Masters however, can be found here: http://gnosticteachings.org/authors-and-teachers.html. Thank you for all your encouraging and insightful comments. Keep it up!

    @Bliss: Welcome fellow Fapstronaut!!! Make it count and keep your eye on the prize. This is an amazing online community that's changing lives. Feel free to get in touch with any of us if you'd like an accountability partner. We are there for one another here at NoFap as we're all struggling with the same thing.
     
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  18. Alpinist

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    @RyanRVA : You said: "So we've discussed what ejaculations do to men, but what about Women? In the Taoist teachings that got me into this, they seem to think that it was just fine for women to have orgasms. Perhaps this is not the case. My wife seems to think orgasms are non destructive but then again spiritual growth is probably not her top priority. Any thoughts?"

    My thoughts on this are as follows. Orgasms are just as spiritually negative for both men and women. This is because all of creation is made from two polarities, male-female. Both polarities should be chaste and should not fornicate. However, regardless of any situation, if one's partner is not in the spiritual journey it is still possible for you to practice sexual magic even if she is not into it, as long as you love one another. At Gnosticteachings.org someone asked a similar question and got the following answer:

    Student-Adrian: "Please help. My spouse does not practice gnosis or sexual magic. I know that she could benefit from this knowledge however i truly believe she is not ready for it yet. So, does sexual magic require both partners practicing in order for it to be successful?"

    Instructor-Benedictus: "What matters is that there is love. One partner does not need to believe or practice in order for the other partner to be successful. That is a matter of individual will. If your partner does not want to practice, yet loves you, then that is all you need to be successful. Practicing is definitely difficult under such circumstances, since one must mantralize or practice in silence or without indicating that one is practicing. However, there have been cases of individuals reaching mastery even when their partners were against Gnosis. In the case of the Master Gargha Kuichines, his wife was adamantly against his discipline. However, he worked with her and attained great realizations, whereby his wife perceived the changes in him and thereafter entered into Gnostic studies."

    Also,another student also also asked about enjoyment in sex with a spouse who does not wish to engage in sexual magic. You can learn from it here: http://gnosticteachings.org/forum/sexual-enjoyment.html

    I suggest you register on Gnostic Teachings and direct any other questions there on their forum as well. There are experienced instructors who have been transmuting for years and are much more experienced than I there who are ready and willing to answer any question any student has about these matters.

    In synthesis my view is, have faith. Even if your wife is not where you are, do it for you and her without forcing her and when she see's the person you're becoming, she'll most likely open up to. In the sense you can transmute during the sexual act with her silently in your heart and mind, without letting her know that you're doing it because it could freak her out and you would still benefit from her and she would too indirectly.

    More Fire,

    Alpinist
     
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    Alpinist,

    Thanks for your excellent response. You've definitely peaked my interest in Gnostic teachings. This should work really well for me actually. My wife seems pretty indifferent about orgasms. I would always offer them to her because I thought it was the thing to do. Through audio recordings I have noticed that my voice has become deeper and more relaxed and gravely. In addition to that I'm putting on a lot more muscle and returning to the state my body was in ten years ago. This process feels like going through puberty again with all this fire like energy. Those kind of observable changes could cause her to become very interested indeed.

    I know that she will at least be willing to participate in an orgasm free experiment for a month or so. I will report to this thread what she reports to me. Since she is a writer, she may have an easy way to observe the effects of increased creative vitality.
     
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  20. Alpinist

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    @RyanRVA : Awesome, we look forward to the feedback!

    To have a wife that's even willing to have these kind of discussions and considerations is amazing - make it work for you as much as you can. Be grateful to the laws because your Karma is definitely serving you well! Your feedback will help many other seekers including me who may have potential girlfriends of wife's in our lives who may not necessarily be into spirituality.

    Let us know how it goes...

    Do best,

    Alpinist
     
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