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HELP! Newbie here, so overwhelmed and sad.

Discussion in 'Partner Support' started by HeatherSmiles, Mar 13, 2019.

  1. HeatherSmiles

    HeatherSmiles Fapstronaut

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    Hi everyone, I’m so glad to have found this website but so painfully sad at the same time to need help in my marriage for this.

    I have been with my husband for 15 years (since I was 18, met in college), married 8 years this coming May. I heard moaning sounds at 12am Saturday night coming from the bathroom and caught my husband masturbating to porn (he’s always spent a lot of time in the bathroom on his phone at night, easily over an hour many nights). He was embarrassed and I’m pretty sure I just went into shock. He adamantly refused to show me his screen but I caught a glimpse of the screen and saw lots of thumbnails for porn videos. He said it was PornHub (didn’t look like it to me when I went to the website to confirm) He refused to show me his phone.

    This is what he’s admitted so far.
    -that he’s done it for at least 5 years, at least once a week.
    -that he started it to help with his premature ejaculation so he could last longer in bed with me. My understanding is for him to cum once with the porn and then the second time takes longer.

    Our sex life was just ok. Not the worst but far from what it used to be. It felt like sex and not love making between two intimate people. In the past three or four weeks I actually made suggestions to him on what we could try to spice it up. Different positions, I told him I liked it when he told me nice things like “I love you etc” during, I’ve been thinking about buying lingerie and I even sent him one “naughty” pic. They barely seemed to help.

    Prior relationship history that relates to betrayal is that (3 years ago) he had an emotional affair that was sexual in nature via text with a woman he met at a friend’s bachelor party in another country. They exchanged numbers and remained in contact. I caught him then by checking his phone for maybe the third time in all our years together. My gut told me something was off. It was a very sexual chat, lots of naked pics of her and chats of him bragging about her to his friend. We had a few counseling sessions then and he did improve with communication and “seeming” honesty I guess.

    Other history I just recalled is that he had lots of pics and if I remember well even video of his brothers bachelor party in 2012 which was in a hotel room with lots of naked women in totally inappropriate positions with many of his friends. I excused it then and said “it’s ok, it’s what happens at these parties” but I never felt it was right that he saved pics and video.

    When we started dating I found a stash of porn DVDs in his closet but he immediately discarded them. I chucked it up to “this is what single men do” and told myself thank goodness he was so happy to throw it away.

    We have 3 beautiful babies and I am so scared. My heart feels like he won’t change. I don’t know why. I made it VERY clear as part of our (my) boundaries when I caught him cheating that viewing women in any sexual manner was inappropriate in our marriage. I was clear and he said he understood. All he’s said to me is that “the end justified the means” for him. He made it ok with himself because he was trying to last longer in bed with me to make me happy.

    I’m anxious, depressed, sad, overwhelmed and lost for what to do. I have no appetite and have already started losing weight in just the few days since I discovered this.

    Please please please please can someone guide me on where to go? What to do? I contacted a therapist yesterday for me but haven’t heard back. I need help and he obviously does too but I don’t think he gets the depth of what he’s done to me and our marriage. I feel like I should leave before he betrays me again but I became a SAHM when we had our twins 2 years ago so he’s our full financial support. I do have my parents and I can definitely go back to working as a nurse with their support if I move in with them. I just want this pain to end and I’m at a loss for what to do next.

    Thanks in advance.
     
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  2. EyesWideOpen

    EyesWideOpen Fapstronaut

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    I'm so sorry you are going through this. I found out about husband's addiction at 19 years in. I guarantee you that what you have discovered is just the tip of the iceberg. He has not told you everything.

    Don't jump into leaving just yet. It's too soon to make big decisions. "Experts" say dont make big decisions for a year but everyone has a different time line. It could be a year, it could be 6 months, it could be 3 months. My point is that at this moment you are reeling and in emotional upheaval and no big decisions need to made right now.

    The first thing to do is set up some boundaries for his acting out behavior and create consequences that fit. Hopefully he is on board and willing for the sake of his marriage and his own well being. He may also look at them as though you are trying to punish him. But you aren't, they are emotional, mental, and maybe even physical protections for you. They are ways to bring about positive change for both of you. Some examples are: accountability software on all his devices, no more phone in the bathroom, no lying to me ever, etc... I will include some links at the bottom to help get you started.

    Also encourage him to come here and get involved, find an accountability partner, a CSAT therapist, and a 12 step program with a sponsor. He will need these tools to be successful in recovery.

    You may also want to join the private Significant Other Support forum here that is only for spouses and significant others of addicts. Here is that link.
    https://www.nofap.com/forum/index.php?groups/sos-significant-others-support.18/forums

    There are many here ready to support you along your journey.

    Boundaries:

    http://adammmoore.com/2014/06/12/defining-and-enforcing-boundaries-in-sexual-addiction-recovery/

    http://awiferedeemed.blogspot.com/p/our-plans.html?m=1
     
  3. HeatherSmiles

    HeatherSmiles Fapstronaut

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    I have requested permission to join the SOS forum and I will absolutely check out the links on boundaries (once the kids are in bed). Thank you.

    May I ask? Did your spouse eventually come clean and tell you everything? Or is that not necessary to the healing process.
     
  4. HeatherSmiles

    HeatherSmiles Fapstronaut

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    Thank you so very much. My heart might explode with how grateful I am. For the first time in 4 days I have taken a breath that did not feel completely painful. Our babies are 3 year old daughter and soon to be 2 year old twins (boy and girl). I will absolutely tell him about this site and find the appropriate therapist. That is golden information along with everything you said. My hope in humanity has literally been restored with your thorough, detailed and incredibly helpful responses. Thank you.

    I absolutely would like guidance on boundaries and consequences. After he cheated 3 years ago I was really clueless. I just told him that viewing women in any sexual context (porn included of course) was off limits but I never defined what the consequences would be. I need both now more than ever.

    I will stay put for now and take it one day at a time with this. I know it will be a difficult journey but I am definitely in the right place for guidance with this sad disorder.
     
  5. EyesWideOpen

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    Well...this is a loaded question. There were signs over the years, like you mentioned you saw. But we had one giant Dday in Oct 2016. It tapered but he didnt fully quit and continued lying for a good year. He did try to stop during that time - a little - but neither of us had the tools to know how. Im over simplifying for brevity's sake, but finally in Jan 2018 I asked him for a full disclosure and he gave it to me. He came clean about absolutely everything. It was necessary for my healing. It isn't necessary for everyone. It's a very personal thing. He has been sober and in recovery since Feb 2018 with a couple of minor slips.
     
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  6. lfromcr

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    First I want to say I am so sorry you found out about it like that. Your right, it can be truly shocking--to the point of being traumatic.

    One thing to be aware of is that drip-fed truth can really create extra harm, because it can turn out that he was 'lying while telling the truth.' (Drip fed truth is when they say, "This is all there is to it," only to find out more later.) When I hear guys use the words yours did, my gut tends to think drip-fed truth may be happening soon.


    This is one of those things I've hear men say a often. But my response has always been, "If it's so easy for you to get climax, why do you need porn?"

    I agree with GhostWriter, it's a red flag that he refused to show you his screen.

    I'm not hating that your husband was embarrassed at first, but please be aware that the more wives find their voice in this, the more guys tend to go from embarrassed and sheepish to angry and resistant.
     
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  7. Faceplanter

    Faceplanter Fapstronaut

    PA here. Some of what you wrote resonates so I thought I would comment and maybe have a slightly better outlook for some details (and less so for others)

    1) I would not worry about porn hub not being the right web site. There are a number of sites that our quite interchangeable (and run by the same company if I recall)...pornhub is the most common name and describes the idea better than some....I went to a different site that would have been less descriptive but same junk.

    1b) Not showing you his screen, to me, is an indication of his shame....if he said pornhub, he's probably not trying to mislead you....just hide his shame. There are of course exceptions that might be trying to mislead you AND hide his shame. Shame is a very big thing for some of us to get over. We can't be honest and open until we do. If you do one thing, let him know that you won't shame him further, and that being open and honest will help.

    2) I would be very concerned with the sexting the woman from another country, especially if you don't feel that the aftermath was real. Men can rationalize porn but most (not all) don't view interaction with a real, specific, person in the same way as porn. (those that do tend to be, in my opinion, the guys that go to massage parlors and prostitutes).

    3) I think if he threw out the DVD's when you were dating, he probably did, but so what. He could buy new ones and the internet is a worse alternative. I have made the same promises to my wife, throw out the DVDs and still broken those promises later. We PAs can still be trying and doing the right thing at times.....even if we fail later.

    We know the promises we made, we know we have broken them, it doesn't mean we never meant it and never tried to be better at those promises than when we are at our worst.

    4) The goal of working on PE is a rationalization. I have thought that too. I have my doubts that it will all work out better with no PMO (ie PE goes away) but I now see the rationalization for what it was. The PMO never really helped, although the hope that it would could be real.....ignoring the fact that it doesn't help and continuing with the PMO is the problem. If I have PE after this "reboot" time, that just means I need to satisfy my wife first.

    5) Full honesty is the biggest issue. Porn can be debated as a moral issue....many men obviously view it differently than women for example. But, lying about it is a huge problem. The lies I see as likely are the once a week comment (esp. with the hour in the bathroom regularly), only for 5 years, and maybe only porn. Bottom line: You get to decide what he discloses, but I agree with avoiding drip disclosure. He should be willing and open to answer any question you have....such as what other sites he visits. If you want full disclosure, Ghostwriter has some guidelines. Just ask.

    My wife never asked for a full disclosure, but once I really "got it", I would willingly answer any question now. Hell, I'd go up in front of an audience and answer any questions (reluctantly, but I would) if I was asked.

    6) He has to want to drop porn. He has to accept that it has hurt you and your family. He has to decide to put you first. He has to separate the goal of dropping porn with anything you do or don't do.

    My situation was that I nearly "got it" about 2 years ago. I was ready to really commit to dropping porn and turning towards my wife for my needs. However, my wife it turned out was much less willing to support those needs than I expected...I was hurt (still am) and angry....and I returned to PMO because (I justified) my wife let me down. I only finally "got it" when we went through a few cycles of dropping PMO, getting disappointed with my sexless marriage, returning to PMO....eventually I realized my wife isn't going to be there to help in the way I expected. Then it clicked.....I can't use her as an excuse to go back (and she said as much). I have to do this for myself, it is all in my control. The problem with the sexless marriage is still HUGE, but it's not the same problem as the PMO. Dropping PMO will stay a goal even if our marriage doesn't, a sentiment you will see from others here too. Taking full responsibility really helped me view the pain I have caused and apologize without blaming or minimizing. Being honest helps with the shame. My wife can look up anything I write here if she chooses to.

    He. Has. To. Want. It.

    Invite him to visit this site. Watch the "great porn experiment" tedx talk with him. Let him read some of the devastating stories here, invite him to pick a goal and start on it. And see if he does. If shame is a big issue, ask regularly about how he is doing and get tools to check on the truth....the shame of 1 days slip up will be lower than 2 weeks of PMO. But, finding a real accountability partner that isn't you is best. Invite him to look into SA groups. I haven't done so myself, but I still might.....they would be more comfortable for me than trying to open up to "someone I know" but still interacting with real people. This forum or counselors can work too. But, once you lead your horse to water, you can't make him drink. That will set you up for failure.

    It is not hard to want to drop PMO. It is harder to REALLY want to drop PMO, and it is harder still to drop PMO without some type of failure....know that and be prepared to give some grace if he is really showing commitment.

    I hope for the best. If he does join here, let us know so we can show some support.
     
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