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Finally going to visit an escort

Discussion in 'Loneliness' started by BetaToAlpha, Feb 26, 2017.

  1. I believe it after I've experienced it first. I only discovered astrology this year and everything makes sense: Saturn opposing Venus = major love/career delays. It's true.

    Pluto line - the locals here hate me for no reason and the food feels like poison. My health is terrible every time I come here.

    Saturn return - age 28-29 crisis.

    I am going to that escort or I'll totally do something stupid...Not gonna turn into another Eliot whatever his name was
     
  2. m_brando

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    Huh?

    "If I Admit Man Hating is a Thing Will You Stop Turning It Into a Self Fulfilling Prophecy?"
    http://jezebel.com/5992479/if-i-adm...op-turning-it-into-a-self-fulfilling-prophecy

    I'm not going to change your mind but you can't hate women for not having sex with you, or feel entitled to sex from a gender that you hate. Whores are whores because there's a market for it- men who hate women. You hate them for not fucking you and feel entitled to fuck them. As long as you feel that way, you will have to pay for it.

    NF is supposed to help with that.

    Also, it's not your fault you were socialized this way but you do have free will and don't have to see women's bodies as a means to an end. If you aren't taking away lessons from how you interact with humans, how chance, risk-taking and patience operates, and your expectations and just building on resentment, then you'll be lonely for a long time.

    You really want to pay a women to sleep with you that sees your d- as a repulsive necessity she has to deal with and mentally disassociate from for her to survive?
     
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  3. Icyweb

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    Of course astrology matches your life circumstances. Who the hell doesn't have love/career delays, who doesn't get hate from locals for no reason, and who, in this age, is actually in good health?
    The planets don't control your life circumstances. You want love? Commit to being a loving person. Be kind to everyone, especially the people who don't like you. When was the last time you volunteered for some kind of charity? Start doing some kind of charity on a monthly basis. Don't love so you can get something, because that's not love. Love so that you can give more.
    You want to be liked by the locals? Well, I can't really help you there. Locals usually don't like any kind of outsider, but if you get involved with them on some charity work, some of them will come around sooner or later. As for Saturn, every year has one crisis or another, we just move past most of them.

    You are a man. You are in control, and even though the world is often a bleak and depressing landscape, we are the warm lights that brighten it for everyone else. Don't you want to be a part of the light?
    I do, and I'm not there yet. I'm trying though, because there has to be more than this harsh emptiness.
     
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    Astrology caters to females. Venus - good planet. Mars - a malefic. And please, citing a sexist site like jezzebel? Who cares what a bunch of fugly American womyn think? Don't worry - men from my country don't touch Western females with a 10 foot pole. American males prefer women from my part of the world as they're feminine and don't look and act like Western ones. I think women feel entitled to male platonic friends.
    Sex is a natural need like food and water. No sex past the age of 20 causes anxiety. Easy as that. And who says I'll treat her bad? Why do you assume? I might offer her to save her from this life and make her my wife.
    I don't hate women, I hate the Anglo-Saxon and American cultural imperialism forced upon us here in Europe.
     
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  5. You sure about that? Less stigma than a porn addiction too? Why do you think that is?
    Some women. It only takes one woman to have sex. Don't worry about the others.

    ...Wait, I thought paying for sex made you a loser as well. It seems like the only option left is to wait then.

    1. Why aren't you fixated on fixing this instead?
    2. It won't
    3. I'm not sure what you're dreading exactly. A random girl you just met won't be wondering how good you are in bed. When you're actually in a relationship (or a ONS) and it's clear you two are ready for sex, then come talk to me. You are thinking to far ahead. Learn how to talk to a woman first.
    Don't hire a girl. We don't understand? Well live in same society as you. We get the same messages about men as you. Many of us would never suggest it is easy, especially if you're already have social anxiety. The "getting laid is easy" is actually applied to us. After all, as long as we go to a bar or club and look decently attractive, we have our pick, right? No. Dating sites exist for both men and women, because men AND women both struggle.

    I'm disappointed in you, @Harderthansatan. Would you tell a virgin girl to do the same thing?

    Don't girls get anxious too? Maybe they want to wait until marriage but don't think they'll find someone and now they're gonna die a virgin and how embarrassing. Maybe they think their virginity will be a turn off because a guy doesn't want to "teach them" or that the guy won't because they're worried she'd "fall in love" and want a relationship.
     
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  6. No you're not from my society. It has nothing to do with American issues and values. Heck, people in my home country mock Americans all the time for their SJW values.
     
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  7. Learn how to talk to a woman first.

    And I always end up in the friend zone and after a while she starts confiding things that are way too intimate about her Bf and treats me like one of her girlfriends plus the added bonus of asking me for favors. I don't really want any platonic female friends.
    They always end with too much drama after I start refusing doing favors. Why women feel entitled to male friendships is beyond me. If she doesn't owe me love or sex I don't owe her friendship and favors. I think many women just enjoy having guys they know are into them so they can get favors for free.
    I know many guys treat prostitutes as sex dolls but I'm not like that. Even hugging and talking will be enough for me and I might even fall for her and want to save her from the rough life. Don't assume that I will treat her like shit.
     
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  8. Icyweb

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    What country are you from?
     
  9. I Free I

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  10. I think people didn't get the premise. I'd rather visit a call girl than take my life or sth equally evil as kill a feral dog (as an offering to the gods) or church burning you get the idea - crazy stuff.

    Love starved guys turn evil, it's proven many times. And also this:

    I know many guys treat prostitutes as sex dolls but I'm not like that. Even hugging and talking will be enough for me and I might even fall for her and want to save her from the rough life. Don't assume that I will treat her like shit.

    at worst it will be meh but I'll be glad I 've been that close to a female. I'll stop treating women as special, sacred and inhuman. I'll accept they're human just like me and flawed as well.

    At best this and I'll also no longer feel so obsessed with doing the deed. After seeing a guy nude despite the yuck/no attraction/meh moment I no longer feel socially awkward around guys. So the same would be true with a nude female in my arms.

    In fact seeing a nude female and touching her will make me objectify women less as I will see there is nothing scary/sacred about them and they're human too.
     
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  11. I'm not assuming you will treat her like shit but your attitude sure is. Why the hell are you investing time in women who are taken?
    They friend zone you? Well yeah duh, they have boyfriends! Women are pretty vocal about whether they are single or not. If you don't know, ask. If they say yes, MOVE ON.
     
  12. Icyweb

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    It sounds like you're rationalizing and trying to justify this decision with a lot unlikely stuff. The decision is yours to make, but I call bullshit on that "love" starved guys line. People do shitty things whether they're having sex or not. Also, keep in mind that addiction is fed by increasing stimuli. The more you give it, the stronger it gets. The decision is yours. Just choose carefully.
    If you want to talk more about this or anything else, I'd be happy to do that. If not, I'll leave it at this.
     
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  13. Well a guy wanking my cock didn't cause me to want more. So I don't think I will become a regular. I just want to lose my V card and that's it.

    I believe in energies - after that mutual wank encounter I sure seem to attract many bi/gay guys to me irl and even on dating sites. Thing is I now know I'm not into that, but it's like they sense I've tried it. A prostitute next to me will fix my energy disturbance and I'll again give off vibes or pheromones attracting females. Now people get Bi vibes and that's an improvement from nofap but I feel it's not enough.

    Thing is the longer I am a virgin, the more obsessed I become. It doesn't help that everyone my age has done the deed. I cannot go around forever pretending love and sex don't exist. Ok I no longer want love, or expect any but I need intimacy, hugs, etc. Loneliness is making me physically ill and I hate crying myself to sleep every night.

    I went to all kinds of things - dance lessons, language courses, even yoga. No interest at all. That's just pure lack of luck. I'm 28, I've met loads of women everywhere and no matter what I would say or do it never went beyond friendships. It's pointless and only lead to frustration, hatred and bitterness. I'd rather quit looking and lose my virginity. If love was in the cards I would've had at least one or two relationships by now. Oh and 90% of the females I meet have a SO.
     
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  14. Eliot whoever and the Columbine kids were all unpopular and love starved males. So yes, an escort would have solved at least half of their problems.

    I am almost certain about visiting an escort. But one thing I am sure about. I will tell every woman I meet I don't want any female friends as I always fall for them even if they are physically not someone I'd consider attractive. And I always end up hurt.I will be open and blunt from the start instead of pretending. I'd rather not get my heart broken or used for favors my male friends would never dare to ask.
     
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    You seem to believe having sex with a prostitute will solve all of your problems. It won't. It will increase all of your problems. You'd have to pay a lot more than for sex if you wanted to be able to hold her and have an intimate experience, that most likely will not happen at all. You're living in a fantasy, and the reality will cause you so much pain. You are giving up here, you really are. Your mindset and attitude is all wrong, that is your biggest problem. I understand your pain, more than you know, but trust me, this isn't the answer and a part of you will already be screaming this at you. I hope you change your mind, but no one can tell you what to do, just remember that hindsight and wisdom is earned in pain.
     
  16. I Free I

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    The Truth .
     
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  18. Frankly, there is not much difference between paying for a prostitute and dating an ordinary girl. In both cases guys pay for intimacy. In the first case it's more honest and direct. Isn't ordering a drink and taking her to a fancy restaurant paying for her? In middle school it was enough to just like each other and talk, then hold hands and kiss. Save for that girl that directly asked me for money all the others then didn't care for fancy restaurants and vacations. The problem is that with adults that's no longer the case and I refuse to buy expensive dinners and gifts as I cannot be sure she'll fall for me. Why invest time and money for a date then? I give them something more important - my time and emotional support but I guess they would rather be taken to a fancy restaurant, disco or be showered with expensive gifts. Females were not that materialistic in middle school, something small as a present was enough and feelings were more important. They even hate the fact I don't own a car.
     
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  19. I'm disappointed in you, @Harderthansatan. Would you tell a virgin girl to do the same thing?

    Don't girls get anxious too? Maybe they want to wait until marriage but don't think they'll find someone and now they're gonna die a virgin and how embarrassing. Maybe they think their virginity will be a turn off because a guy doesn't want to "teach them" or that the guy won't because they're worried she'd "fall in love" and want a relationship.[/QUOTE]

    Haha don't be disappointed! :D - that's not allowed! I'm all honesty my advice for a man versus a woman might be different. Probably would be. But the reality is that it is different. At a certain age I think a man is unlikely to ever lose it (thread starter - don't worry, you have plenty of time). It's is a different type of pressure in my opinion.

    A woman will never have a shortage of men wanting to sleep with them. Your situation is much different for you I would never suggest a male prostitute but that's because you aren't desperate and have clear beliefs over how you want it all to happen. And they will come to fruition I'm sure!

    We need to realise that as much as people like to think that the world is nice and equal... it's not. Nothing is equal and nothing is fair. It's about making the best decisions possible with the best posibility long term.

    I should stress that I've never seen a prostitute or anything like that but at the same time I think prostitution should be legalised and made much safer. It's not going away. Just like drugs. Better we understand these things and make them safe instead of judging and driving people underground.
     
  20. m_brando

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    I just can't even with how a man could with a woman who thinks he's a pig and has to imagine herself far away from the experience, and then wants to kill herself later.
    How can you make these generalizations? That's like me saying "all men are pigs." I'm looking around and I see nothing but hope for the male race, and none of the women here fall into your narrow definition of what women are.

    Women you date will want to date you because they like you. But then again you have to be likable, to respect yourself and be the best you that you can be for you- not to be able to use the hole you think women are. And you have to like women or all you'll attract are whores. But professional whores? They are repulsed by you, make no mistake, they think you're pathetic. TBH your attitudes about sex and relationships are going to make you pathetic to all women, with or without a car. And you got this entitlement from the sexist culture porn came from.

    A respectable man in himself is gold to a quality women. Climb on up out of the gutter and into the light where decent humans are.

    But I'm going to take this opportunity to take this tip from @FlawedChristian via @D.J. "In Case You Didn't Know" : It's OK to leave a conversation that you feel is going nowhere. Just like PMO, harmful attitudes about women will take time to unlearn. Save some energy for yourself.
     
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