Face structure change and nofap

Discussion in 'Abstinence, Retention, and Sexual Transmutation' started by deannx, May 8, 2019.

  1. deannx

    deannx Fapstronaut

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    Hi, like some of you here, I experience face structure change after masturbate that include sagging facial skins, loss of facial fat, loss of muscle. I quitted masturbate for 3 months now, my facial muscle is slowly gaining back but I still experience sagging and thin skins occasionally, sometime they are saggy but sometime not. I start to worry that might never recover, what are your experience?
     
  2. Alexander

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    This is so pseudoscientific that it hurts. If you think that you are feeling and looking better, it is probably more about:

    - Spending less time sitting at the computer
    - Living a more balanced life and sleeping better/more
    - Putting that time that you are saving into eating better, exercising, etc
     
  3. thool

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    yes definitely face structure changes and Eyes lit up. For me it is noticeable after 110 to 120 days(esp the eyes). Keep yourself hydrated more than required and zero down high sodium foods aka Junk food.
     
  4. deannx

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    Hi

    My problem is the face change happen occasionally, even when I am not masturbating( I am on 90 days now but still get sagging skins sometimes) is it also the same case with you as well?
     
  5. deannx

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    Hi, with all due respect, just because something seem unthinkable to you doesn’t mean it can’t be true for some people. If you google “face change masturbate” or “face change nofap” you can find tons of results from reddit, this forum, POIS forum as well as many other communities. Please don’t be so quick to assume you are the only smart ass here and let me also remain you that the idea of nofap still is a laughable concept to many people
     
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  6. Alexander

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    Yes, and how many of the people posting are doctors, researchers, or aware of the literature on the subject? I've read them and they are usually incredibly pseudoscientific. Correlation does not indicate causation and people like that give the NoFap brand a bad name. If you find it useful and think it's beneficial, great, but think that the benefits are misattributed to the primary action of not masturbating whenever they are better attributed to life changes that you make as a result.
     
  7. deannx

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    lol and now you are a doctor? If yout ask most doctor they will tell you that nofap is bullshit and masturbate is benefit to your body and how many of us here would agree with this statement? Me and many others compliant about masturbation lead to face change because we experienced first hand(you don’t need to be a doctor to make an observation!), it’s even included as a POIS survey question done by DOCTORS on poiscenter.com. I don’t want to argue with you anymore, You can continue trying to be smart ass but I suspect many will find you doing the opposite
     
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  8. Alexander

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    First off, "NoFap" is the name of rebooting parameters which does NOT include not masturbating or orgasming for years or forever, but temporarily to recover from porn addiction. You're referring to sexual transmutation or semen retention or retention.

    Secondly, I'm not myself a doctor but am in frequent communication with doctors and ensure that the published material is accurate. A lot of the material on this site was created under the advisement of doctors/PhDs, utilizing tangible research that proves the existence of porn-related problems. There isn't substantial research to point to that says that you shouldn't orgasm for excessive periods of time.
     
  9. deannx

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    Then why not name it noporn? You are the administrator here you should know that a great number of people on this forum and almost all people on nofap Reddit are discussing the side effects of masturbating as well as the benefit they get after quitting it on top of all the porn addiction discussions. Also the part you said “There isn't substantial research to point to that says that you shouldn't orgasm for excessive periods of time.” Is inaccurate, for more info please look up post orgasmic illness syndrome (POIS) .
     
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  10. Alexander

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    The name refers to not masturbating for a month to 90 days to recover from porn addiction. It isn't called "NeverMasturbateAgain" or "NeverOrgasm". They are discussing the potential side effects of over-orgasm. There's a difference between acknowledging that over-orgasming might have effects that could be explored versus demonizing orgasm.
     
  11. deannx

    deannx Fapstronaut

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    No one is demonizing orgasm here, but I been in this community long enough(mostly on reddit but I also read a lot of post here) to know that many are discussing the side effects of masturbate(not over masturbate but masturbate in general) and majority of them me included find sex to be not harmful, so again not demonizing orgasm.
    My point is instead of dissing claims that shared by many people and think we just some stupid assholes can’t even make observations we would be better as community, just my thought.
    Btw English is not my first language so sorry if there’s confusions.
     
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  12. Infrasapiens

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    Yes @Alexander, why are you so arrogant and ignorant? Why do you need the word of a doctor when a lot of results from Google appear when you search about this? You should change the name of NoFap to just No, because you are so negative. Your fancy "evidence" made me so angry that I slammed my face against a wall. I'm done with you, I am going to sleep early or the Tooth Fairy won't come.

    Moral of the story: Look for evidence and actual facts. Just because a lot of people said it doesn't makes it real.
     
  13. Alexander

    Alexander Porn Addict
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    You can find many search results for practically any viewpoint. That doesn't indicate that that viewpoint is supported by research.

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    I highly doubt that I'm ignorant about the subject compared to most people on the forum, given that I've been studying and working in this field nearly full-time for 8 years. But here, let's make amends. If you want to practice unlimited, forever semen retention, go for it. Here's some advice.

    If you want to experience the true power of sexual transmutation, you must ingest other people's energy as well. They sell semen online but by the time it reaches your door it loses a lot of its nutritional and energetic potency. It's much better to get it as close to the source as possible. First off, start adding animal testicles to your diet. You can get one pound of bull testicles, the best nutritional-value-per-quotient, for only 19.99 + shipping. You can also get animal semen from your closest farm that does breeding but it can get VERY expensive, 1000s per barrel. You want to ingest at least 200 ml but up to 2 liters of animal semen per day. But be sure to still get enough water although you can drink slightly less than 8 cups per day if you are also ingesting semen. Many people also store their animal semen wrong and keep it in a regular refrigerator. By far it's better to store it in an ice chest filled with DRY ice and keep it below 0 degrees Fahrenheit, as low as possible, and only de-thaw the semen right before ingestion. But you can even make semen popsicles which is actually the most efficient way to consume store-bought semen. Make sure that you use organic popsicle sticks though because standard popsicle sticks might contain chemicals that reduce the sperm count which defeats the purpose.

    But you're losing out on approximately 48.67% by using animals - human semen is far better to reach the apex of human achievement. There's an app called Grindr which you can use to get it fresh from the source. I'd recommend getting a few phones with different accounts to maximize your potential. Also, sign up for Tinder and OK Cupid and really any dating app that you can find. You might want to get an assistant to help you set up appointments, too. You'll want to spend as much time doing this as possible. Less dating, more sucking. Preferably advertise a blow-and-go anonymous glory hole in your apartment and stack appointments 15 minutes apart. You will want to practice with a banana and cucumber first to ensure that you can finish these men in less than 5 minutes each because you might need to spend some time during each appointment saying hi and cleaning up. Some true gurus have even set up people outside to manage the line and fluff upcoming appointments for maximum time efficiency.

    Basically, nothing is better for nutrition than getting it DIRECTLY from the source. Ideally, you want to get at least 10 of these sessions in per day, preferably way more - really there is no maximum amount if you train your mouth muscles. I've heard of people who spend 14+ hours a day pursuing true sexual self-mastery through this method. Don't take days off but if you have to travel, bring your cucumber and banana along with you to exercise your mouth while you can during the drive/plane ride/whatever. If you ingest enough semen you don't have to worry about STDs since the sheer power of semen will create immunity for the body - herpes can't handle the sheer transmutive force of a person who ingests a gallon of semen per day.

    Enjoy the superpowers. Maybe you can become the most powerful person ever. Who knows what is possible? Keep us updated. If you want, I would be happy to donate some of my semen to you (I've maxed out on superpowers) if you can make it to the United States and are a power-bottom. Ever hear of suppositories, medicine taken anally? That's because the bottom glands of the intestines are much better for taking in nutrients than the stomach-route which degrades the semen quality with the stomach acid. It's much better to take the semen in anally from the source or for non-fresh semen, a butt funnel. Preferably, you want to agitate the tissue first with some friction. Hit me up on Grindr.
     
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  14. Infrasapiens

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    I was being sarcastic dude, I am on your side. Please, don't make me buy high quality semen popsicles sticks.
     
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  15. Alexander

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    We were debating that in chat. I was on the side that u was trolling. I've got a good sense for it being a troll myself. Others were not so sure. So posted my copypasta.
     
  16. Infrasapiens

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    Yes, I recognized from that thread that said you should swallow back your semen.
     
  17. Awedouble

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    Well this one is right up there with the images that stop you from wanting to relapse instantly, even factoring tldr.
     
  18. Pureplecity

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    yes I agree I experience the same thing and even when I am living the same life style I was living everything about me changes and everyone seems attracted to me even in FLATLINE when I have depression and anxiety and low energy and feel like total crap.
     
  19. gagate

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    That's probably because quitting masturbation/sexual intercourse decreases tension all over your body even in the face area, so that might lead to a change in your face structure, during those activities the body gets agitated and long term tension is generated, I had so much tension throughout my body during addiction times even my jaw had tension, I experienced the same tbh.

    Don't be afraid to post your own experience, even if it challenges the general consensus, the scientific community and the very founder of this website.

    It's funny how the very founder of Nofap with 8 years of research in this topic hasn't got a great clue of the effects of long term semen retention. Well, perhaps he should do more a bit of research, or maybe do semen retention properly for several years and actually be successful at it, he should perhaps read the works of Swami vivekananda and how he got a photographic memory as well as an impressive mind, but no, science hurr durr.

    It's also hard to take him seriously as he's an admitted troll, and it's quite sad seeing him trolling his own community.
     
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  20. Infrasapiens

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    I find it sad too, but not the same way as you. I think he has to deal with so much crap from his own comnunity that he must troll them to keep his sanity.

    This whole section of the forum is easily the worst, it is filled with pretentious people who think their perception of reality is the real one and everyone who doesn't agree with them is wrong and worthless.

    "Jizz magic" is not real. You cannot just think of any random good think that happend to you and say it was thanks to jizz magic. You do not get superpowers by practicing retention. There was a guy who even said you become God if you practice retention.

    If you want to use retention as a mean for spiritual training or that kind of things, fine, you are testing your discipline, it is self-control, it makes sense, but do not be so arrogant to think that your vision of the world is the only one that counts.

    And yes, science is better evidence than a bunch of random people saying "This exist".
     

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