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Every Relapse Lets Me Grow and I am Standing So Fucking Tall Right Now

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by seth, Sep 4, 2016.

  1. seth

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    Time has been flying, I have a tremendous amount of stress from work. I haven't really had any time to PMO, so porn has not been on the forefront of my mind.

    I have noticed a craving for porn and have noticed myself decide to watch it - only to stop because I have set up a k9 blocker.

    Also, after a week or two without PMO, I have started MOing regularly (once a day). I never really got a straight answer whether the MOing is bad, so whatever...
     
  2. ned123

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    Hey mate

    How's tricks?
    Good question:is MOing bad?

    Semen is actually chemically very similar to cerebrospinal fluid, but even better in fact, because it contains the magical energy of life. So it takes a lot of a guy's energies to manufacture. When we ejaculate our body doesn't know we're just jerking off or enjoying sex. It thinks it's about to produce another wonderful human being: so it sends out the best it's got! Our body draws on each of its organs to provide for a new mini human and give it the best start - and healthy genes to keep it going through a long and healthy life!

    It's no wonder we feel depleted after ejaculation: we have literally fucked our brains out! And if we overdo it - we get run down, lose mental capacity etc. We're FUCKED!

    So if we don't want to waste our valuable semen how often can we ejaculate?

    The younger we are the more easily we can manufacture semen so that give us a clue!

    It's really about finding a balance.

    MOing less frequently means for me: a much clearer head, a general feeling of health and wellbeing, and much more energy and drive.
     
    Last edited: Nov 3, 2016
  3. Machin

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    Don't MO : it's evil.
    I know, I am a married guy with a healthy sex life, thus you'll think it's irrelevant.

    NoFap is a useful tool, but it's not a life goal.
    You'll have to get beyond, as I have now.
    Maybe you should read "Think and Grow Rich", especially the chapter where Napoleon Hill talks about the sexual energy.

    What happened to you when you were busy is that you didn't have energy to PMO because your energy was used elsewhere.
    Thus, get into the arena and fight. Don't waste your energy on anything else.
    This is what life is about.
     
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  4. seth

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    Would you look at that, I've made it nearly a month without porn.

    Ned, what have you been doing regarding MO? Do you MO regularly, but not ejaculate (I forget what that's called). Is that an exception?

    Machin, I just bought that book a few weeks ago, so I'll slide it right up to be the next book I read after I finish "How to Win Friends and Influence People".

    And guys, I totally understand how MOing depletes you and at the very least, takes away some energy. I even have in my signature how energy is all that makes life worth living. But I just feel it's too extreme to cut MOing out permanently.
     
  5. ned123

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    Ye - just after I'd done a month of NoFap I discovered O and E are actually separate processes. I followed Mantak Chia's book to carefully train myself to O without E.

    So now it's apparently OK to ejaculate sometimes, say once or twice a month, but it involves losing vital energy so I rarely ejaculate. I absolutely hated the low that I got after ejaculating, but from what I've read I don't think all guys get it as bad. If I MO now I feel invigorated afterwards instead. There's no limit to the number of orgasms: there is no energy loss only energy gain. The energy at orgasm is cycled up to the head to be distributed later. Our sexual energy is the strongest form of energy we have so it makes sense to utilise it!

    All my adult life I thought it was 'healthy' to come (ejaculate) regularly, so this meant I could be somewhat demanding on occasion in the bedroom which I feel a bit ashamed of, cos sometimes I'd spit my dummy out and argue with my girlfriends! Embarrassing really. And if I wasn't in a relationship then I'd regularly Fap because I really thought I needed to!!! Hilarious! But I've realised now that I've been squandering my resources!! Now that I rarely ejaculate, apart from constantly high energy levels I've noticed a clarity of thought that has always eluded me. It's changing my life :)

    However, I think that for most guys, if you don't ejaculate too often say once a week, then energy stores will replenish without noticing too much. The big problems arise when ejaculation is at least daily.
     
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  6. seth

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    One of these days, I'll start dialing back on the MO, and start really focusing on the tao stuff.

    Recently, I noticed there have been a few opportunities for p-subs, and I just thought about the whirlwind of disaster that has lead to in the past, so I just avoided it. Realized it would do me no good.

    I've been going on lots of dates recently - I've had a good amount of success with Tinder and Coffee Meets Bagel. It's been easier and easier to get phone numbers. Last night I had a second date - we went out for drinks. I took 2 shots before hand just to calm my nerves. It worked, I was super spontaneous and kept a very stimulating conversation going with her. We were talking about movies, and I suggested we watch a movie she mentioned. She was down to.
    We walked to my house, (roommates gone for the night =D ) and we propped in bed and watched it. Held hands during, kissed after the movie, and then we had some pretty awesome sex.
     
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  7. ned123

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    You little stud sethster!! Glad to hear your keeping it real away from the P bro! :cool:
     
  8. seth

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    I haven't posted in a while. I have been completely immersed in my new job as a teacher and I coursework for my masters classes. It has be extremely successful so far. It has been easy to not watch porn, as I think it's a bit over two months thus far. For the first month and a half, porn never really entered my mind. Now that I have learned how to manage my stress a lot better, I have created some more free time for myself, I have had moments of craving for porn. I have even gotten close to actually considering it. And then I say, "WTF Seth, I am totally past that." I think of the success I have had so far and I am able to rationally and successfully convince myself that it is not something I want. So far, empowering.

    I have been masturbating several times a week (4-5). I keep intending to start Tao, but I haven't jumped into it yet. However, I have tried stopping the flow of semen when I orgasm and I notice more powerful orgasms.

    I have gone on many first dates - nothing's really clicked so far, but I have slept a few times with that one girl although I'm not interested in getting serious with her and I think she is =( . Otherwise, I'm in a solid place with my job, and exercise, health, happiness, finances, the lot. I have been reading every weekend, and incorporating some serious balance in my life. It's been fantastic.
     
  9. icanrockmylife

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    I think to really gain energy you have cut all sorts of ejaculation. Although freeing P or P-subs from your life is definitely a good thing, MO drains your energy. I think you need to practice absolute abstinence if you want to gain superior energy.
     
  10. seth

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    The ultimate goal is to easily remove porn from my life. Although there is an energy boost from cutting MO, it's not worth the amount of energy I have to put in to abstain. I made it 5 months w/o MOing and the extra energy was nice, but it was so much effort to not MO. Right now, I have been easily able to avoid porn, without having to all of my thoughts towards it. It's become easier. I'm sticking with MOing
     
  11. seth

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    I reset last weekend. I thought it was an isolated event, but I resumed this weekend too. Last weekend, I didn't have much to do, I was bored, and had a house to myself. However, afterwards, I felt OK - I was just going to make it an isolated weekend and go back to resuming NoFap. However, I PMO binged this weekend too. And this weekend I had a lot of shit I needed, to do.

    Last night, I went to bed at 7PM, and I just felt incredibly defeated. Deflated. No drive. STONED. Lonely. Useless. I am not beating myself up, but trying to remind myself for the future, what it will be.

    When I am contemplating PMOing, I think I need to put myself a few weeks in the future. An isolated event is not so bad, but I know 100% that it can never be an isolated event. I never PMO once and done. It always ALWAYS fucking continues until it feels like I hit a temporary BOTTOM, like I did last night. And sometimes it takes a month until I get to rock bottom. Sometimes it's short like this instance, and it only took 1 week to get there.

    And it doesn't fucking matter how long it takes to get to that really shitty, bottom, scum-of-life feeling. The point is that it always takes until I get to that point before I start PMOing again.

    So next time I'm considering it, I must remember that I am destining myself for a scum-of-the life feeling in a short period's time. Not fucking worth it.

    Another note: I notice the PMO always comes after a time when I MO twice in a day. Once I get to that point, MOing gets boring and I crave PMO. The key is keeping my MO in check. I know people will say I should abstain from MOing, but I don't want to hear it. I need to really dig into the field of separating orgasm from ejaculation and see if that nets me different results.
     
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  12. ned123

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    Keep fighting and searching for what you want out of life; and remember we are here to help and support you!

    I know that losing your seed too regularly will make you feel down so don't beat yourself up. When we are young we have so much energy we can almost waste it. But too much binging catches up with us. In general it's best if we temper ourselves. It's easier to do that as we get older somehow.

    Life is full of great stuff to do and learn, and always throwing out challenges. Use your energies to help rise to the challenge ...there will still be times to have a blow out and have lots of fun! And you'll appreciate life all the more!
     
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  13. seth

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    Thanks Ned.

    I need a place to vent.

    I am so fucking pissed. One of my professors, who was my favorite, has just become supremely aggravating. In a new difficult class I am taking with her, she has offered no support. I told her i felt lost - didn't know where to start and she reprimanded me because I was supposed to have already done something.

    FUCK i am so stressed i can't even talk.

    If I hadn't fucking watched porn last weekend, I would have done some work and this stress would NOT fucking be happening.
     
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  14. seth

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    Ok, much better now. That was an isolated high stress moment. I took the day off and the problem sorted itself out. I just need to remember that moment as it was a direct consequence of watching porn.

    And all in all, I only watched porn a handful of times on two separate weekends. I'm glad I was able to isolate it and not relapse (only reset).
     
  15. ned123

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    Nice rant! Let it all out dude...;-)
     
  16. seth

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    Made it through the week! I also set up an account at EverAccountability and asked a really close friend to be my accountability partner. It's $7 a month, (after two month trial) and I might redirect the money I'm donating here to pay for Ever Accountability.

    I know it's going to be easy to abstain from porn for 2-3 months. I'm really curious about how I will respond in the 3-5 month range.

    I like that I don't have counters. I can figure out how long it has been if I look at the day I started, but getting rid of the counter has changed my perspective from "going on a diet" to "healthy lifestyle".
     
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  17. ReturnToGlory

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    I think that's a key distinction. Is it a lifestyle or is it a short term discipline?

    Everybody has lost weight on a diet. Most people gain the weight back, and then some. The ones who don't gain it back are those who change their lifestyle.

    I use the counter as a way to motivate me in the short term, but I realize that it takes more than that to motivate for the long term.

    It's good to know that there is an "I don't care" phase that hits around Day 40. I am at Day 26, so I will look out for that in a couple weeks, if I make it to Day 40.
     
  18. seth

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    You will make it to Day 40. Are you abstaining from MO as well? I find when I'm abstaining from MO, there IDGAF feeling comes around day 40. When I do streaks abstaining from porn, but allow MO, I find there's a different feeling that comes anywhere from 3-5 months. It's a deep hunger for porn. It's as if something is really bland and missing in my life and I just fucking NEED porn back. Two different, but similar feelings that I have not overcome a few too many times.
     
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  19. ReturnToGlory

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    Yes, I am doing hard mode. I will watch out for Day 40, like you said.
     
  20. seth

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    What the fuck was wrong with NoFap??? I couldn't sign in for a few weeks!

    I had a frustrating couple of two weeks, but nothing to do with porn. I have been MOing every other day though.

    Craving sex lately, I need to get back into the dating game.
     
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